Proton launched Lumo today as their private A.I. solution and imo there’s a lot of problems with it. Namely that you’re trusting proton not to keep logs. Personally I don’t trust that. If you’re looking for a better privacy focused A.I. product I highly recommend Maple A.I. A lot of people don’t realize that the mutiny wallet team pivoted after the DOJ went after their business model and is now Maple. Full disclosure I’m an investor but I genuinely believe they’ve delivered a better product than proton. My favorite thing so far is being able to use deepseek without leaking data to the CCP. image

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It’s terrific and getting better really rapidly. Amazing for 2 people. I’d choose Proton all day versus the big boys, but Maple’s approach is best.
Maple AI cofounder here. I'm glad that more people are starting to care about privacy with AI. We've watched a few companies enter this space so far, and yet we are still the only one who goes all the way with letting users verify the code for themselves. You can see our client and server code on GitHub. The client shows you the cryptographic proof that it is connected to the code you see on GitHub. If it's not, the client refuses to connect. Any user is able to make a reproducible build of the code and get the same cryptographic proof. Think of it as the new version of SSL, that 🔒 lock icon next to the website address in your browser. http -> https -> httpse (secure enclaves) @Maple AI is built on the premise of Don't Trust, Verify. Yes, there are people who still don't want to trust secure enclaves. They are always able to run local AI models. The trade off is slower AI that is less accurate. Do what fits your risk profile. Maple AI gives you the power of cloud compute with near local privacy. And it still stands out unique from the crowd of private AIs as giving you full visibility into how your encrypted data is handled. Feel free to drop any questions here or tag me else where. I'm very active on Nostr and dedbird.
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Benking 6 months ago
Appreciate the transparency. Totally agree — privacy theater isn’t the same as real privacy. Proton’s whole model still asks for trust, and that’s a red flag for anyone who’s been around the block. Maple’s pivot makes sense given the heat Mutiny was getting — and the fact that they’re shipping something actually useful and aligned with cypherpunk values? Respect. Deepseek without data leakage is a game-changer.
Good for sensitive prompts, but hard to beat Grok for non sensitive prompts. There’s room for both
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Rodrigo 6 months ago
Any comments about DuckDuckGo's AI?
Oh didn’t know proton released an ai chat app. Will check it out. Thanks for bringing it up
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HelpfulGiraffe 6 months ago
As someone who has multiple paid AI subscriptions for work, genuinely interested, however why only access to mid tier open source models? Why not the full 671b parameter model ? I am guessing if I am using grok 4 they are not limiting to a 70b parameter model. On another note is there a road map for which other models they are going to add? And do they have basic tools such as web search etc? Do they also allow for api access ?
Venice follows a “trust we don’t log” policy. Their servers see the queries that hit the AI but claim to not save them. You can’t be sure the code running on the servers. Maple uses confidential computing combined with open source which lets users verify the code themselves.
primarily web search. not only is it really useful for responses to prompts, but it would also act as an alternative to DuckDuckGo and other private search engines.
Is it fair to say that with Maple, we don't have to trust Maple (assuming we read the source code), but we do have to trust AWS?
You said there's a lot of problems with Proton's AI service, then only listed one vague criticism that could be equally true for the one you are invested in and promoting.
According to the maple guys there’s is auditable in a way that Lumo is not. Honestly I’m not technically inclined enough to know what or why that is.