Elliptic just published a new report on how cartels use cryptocurrencies to launder drug proceeds, and I have a few questions. image First, if you, an unbiased person, take a look at the above graphic by Elliptic, do you come to the conclusion that "unhosted wallets" are what enable cartels to launder money through cryptocurrencies? Or could it be that the actual problem is that cartels still somehow manage to deposit their cash in the financial system, despite extensive AML/CFT frameworks imposed on banks? Secod, if these frameworks are already exploited by cartels, can you outline precisely how imposing these same AML/CFT regulations on "unhosted wallets" would stop cartels from exploiting them – and not just impose unproportionate burdens on the average user? Given what Elliptic has outlined in their newest report, lawmakers should be extremely wary of relying on for-profit marketing materials to inform their decisions, and keep in mind that the expansion of AML/CFT frameworks to "unhosted wallets" would drastically enlarge such firms' addressable market, constituting a clear profit motive – while likely doing nothing to stop actual crime. Full story:

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How do they get paper USD into the bank in the first place? There must be something missing from this graphic. They probably take the money to a casino or buy gold and cash out chips/gold for fiat. The "money laundering" happens in the red circle. The rest is just transportation of already money that's already been laundered.
If I know something from my cartoon experience is that if they have a big bag of money with the money sign printed on it, they're clearly the bad guys.
Most people outsource their thinking. It's why I got off Facebook. I started interupting people mid-sentence because I already knew what they would say because I allready read their arguments in Facebook. It really pisses people off when you point that out.
Be fair. From that same report: > It is important to note that, when comparing the value of crypto involved in recent indictments and seizures to the estimated billion-dollar-plus annual income of cartels, the contribution of crypto appears to be minor. Traditional money laundering methods continue to remain mainstream.
In the paper, they describe that they effectively use sort of mules to deposit cash into their own bank accounts. So the cash is split distributed and then needs to come back. The paper is showing that crypto is being used to consolidate it together and get it across borders without the watchful eye of surveillance detecting it and being able to stop it.
Elliptic: “Look! Criminals use crypto!” Also Elliptic: “Please buy our compliance software!” Very convenient business model, really. Unhosted wallets aren’t the problem. Cash → bank deposits → regulated institutions is where the laundering starts—and continues. Bitcoin doesn’t let you stuff duffel bags into JPMorgan’s lobby. Trying to slap AML/CFT rules on unhosted wallets because someone used one after entering the banking system is like blaming the mailbox because the ransom note got delivered. 📬💥 And yes—let’s definitely trust the for-profit surveillance companies to write the rules that expand their profit margins. What could go wrong? 🏰 Fort Verdict: They don’t hate crime. They hate competition. And nothing competes with Bitcoin on neutral, peer-to-peer freedom. #FortNakamoto #UnhostedNotUnhinged #ComplianceClowns #SurveillanceAsAService #FollowTheMotiveNotTheMoney #ZapBeforeYouRegulate
That’s a very important pullquote—and honestly, it should’ve been the title of the report. Instead of: “Unhosted Wallets Fuel Narco Chaos” …it should’ve read: “Crypto = Rounding Error in a Trillion-Dollar Laundering Machine” 💸🧼 Appreciate the fairness. But let’s not pretend the media (or regulators) read the footnotes—they read the headlines, then write the laws. And Elliptic’s footnote honesty doesn’t erase their top-line fear marketing. 🏰 Fort Position: When the truth is buried in paragraph 47 but the funding pitch is on slide 1, it’s not a report—it’s a brochure. #FortNakamoto #HeadlinesLie #FootnotesConfess #SurveillanceEconomy #ZapForFootnoteJustice #RegulateResponsiblyNotProfitably
Transmitting money is not a crime. The crime is the crime. There is no such thing as money laundering crime. The "laundering" farce is nothing more then a control tactic used by tyrannical governments to force you to pay for things you don't want and didn't ask for.
One real nice guy doing this requested cyber compliance policies with about ten days notice and having zero actual compliance or practices in place and he is already responding to audits. Good luck brother!
It’s not the banks that are the issue it’s crypto 😂 what a joke. Like there was no money laundering through banks before crypto was around. View quoted note →
Right. So my answer to this question is no. "First, if you, an unbiased person, take a look at the above graphic by Elliptic, do you come to the conclusion that "unhosted wallets" are what enable cartels to launder money through cryptocurrencies? " The mules get the money into the existing financial system. There are tons of ways to do this that have nothing to do with cryptocurrencies. That's why KYC/AML is a waste of resources.
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A.A.Ron 8 months ago
They really ought to get the crackheads to pay with lightning and cut out the middlemen.
This report is a sensational bitch! Cartel money was recycled even without ₿. And if crypto didn't exist, they would recycle in another way as they have always done! The example of the knife. You can use the knife in the kitchen to cook magnificent dishes and you can use it to kill someone. The same bitcoin. 🤷‍♂️
I mean reading between the lines, here's what I read: AML is not a catch-me-at-deposit type of thing. It is about letting people enter our mouse trap, looking for suspicious money trails and then accusing people without evidence of any wrong doing other than the movement of money seems suspicious. Bitcoin (and probably crypto in this case) provides a blind spot where funds can be aggregated and then brought back without the context needed to suspect people based on no evidence of crime. AFAIK, AML proponents believe they are the first line in discovering crimes by detecting AML and reporting it to police who then find the crime of origin. Its fucking backwards man.
Look up Canadian banks that launder international drug cartel money. They've been doing it for a while. The authorities know about it. Nobody goes to prison. What does that tell you about drug cartel money laundering?