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Why?
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A post-mortem on running a paid nostr relay? I think we could all learn from your experience
Wondering this too.
Too bad! Could you explain why?
Anyway: thanks for the service so far!
Me as well
It must be related to the cost of running it? If the incentives are not aligned, no doubt that if this one is going away others will follow
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Sad news but it will occur more than we think 🥲
Could be nice to have a script to download all our notes from relay and import it to another Relay (our or not).
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That's unfortunate.
Guess I gotta add new relay to my pay-to list. Anyone looking for a new one to join
https://YEGHRO.site would be happy to have ya.
Shouldn't this be the responsibility of nostr clients? Like having a button on your profile screen called "Broadcast all", just like for example Damus has the "Broadcast" button on a single note.
I suppose the relay has no responsability regarding your notes excepting if it's a paid relay like in this case. They are doing things well to refund people and helping Nostriches to export their notes. People need to understand that if they want to backup their notes undefinitely they need to push notes to their own relay. We need more ansible playbook and docker containers to help people to deploy their own relay for few bucks a month ⚡
Sorry to see it go. I think that was the first paid relay I signed for what seems like ages ago 💜
I agree with you that the best way to ensure your own notes preservation is to self host, but you do realize that the average Joe will never do that, right? So we need a good enough fallback solution for the masses.
Lack of financial resources may be
Thank you for the service!🤙
Sorry to hear this! Are you able to tell us why?
How does one backup and restore their notes on other relays?
Yes you're right. Maybe something new like a script which backup notes into flat files on some cloud encrypted storage could be a solution for paid relay. People still won't know how to run a relay but will be capable of importing files through a relay UI that allow to import events. Something like that 😅
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My guess: its difficult to keep a paid service up in a small scale. Its easier to run for free than paid. Because when paid there is more responsibility and when the number of paying customers are super low, you are having a semi full time job with very little return.
Désolée 💜🫂
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sorry to hear that cameri 😟
Another one bites the dust
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Thank you for your hard work
I’m sorry
It was one of the first relays I had paid for if not THE first and so I thank you for letting me write to it 🤝🫂
A service does exist to back all of your Nostr notes and events. What doesn't exist is a similar service to broadcast them all to another relay.
What's the hardware, software, and location specs of your relay?
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Eden.nostr.landリレーは終了します！
私たちは8月26日の30日間でこのリレーを終了します。
nostr:
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
Same. It was mine too.
I’m bummed to hear this!
That’s how I met all y’all! 🥹 I’m extremely grateful for joining eden.nostr.land. I’m always going to keep my badge 🤙🏼💜
Yea. Hope all is well in everyone's personal lives all that matters. nostr will figure out the rest (holy crap we are early 🤯). Have a good day y'all, God bless
I’m sorry to hear it, it was my first and only payment relay I used. And it was great.
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You can manually obtain a copy of your data, which you can restore anytime to any relay. Alternatively, you can sign up for my auto backup service, which takes weekly backups. Additionally, you will receive some free storage on Proton Storage for your data.
You will get both things here:
Hate to hear this…thanks for your service and if there’s something we could do to prevent this, let the Nostriches know 🫡🫂
you going to build the broadcast service to compliment
Nostr backup
Fetch and backup your Nostr events
Thanks for running it. And keep the money 😘
Oops. I forgot about a service that does this already. We have too many 🤣🤣🤣
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I havent updated my relays in a long time. What relays are people using the most these days?
Yes I know I can check profiles but I wanna know anyway
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Can you elaborate? It may be helpful if we understand.
Not sure 🤔, maybe a monthly fee would work better 🤷♂️
any insight on how to find out exactly which relay I'm using for my notes?
Originally one of the #Nostriches at the #Bitcoin conference help me set up #Amethyst on my #Android to start accessing #Nostr ...
Beyond that, I don't know much. Is there's some way to see which relay I'm connected to?
View quoted note →I think nostr would benefit from an infrastructure fund, that people could donate to, and support relays and take nostr to a wide audience. People donate to the fund, and then relay send invoices, for infrastructure only. The fund decides what % of the invoice to pay.
A post mortem would be awesome.
Give prospective relay managers an idea what to expect wrt expenses, time commitment, pain points, etc
Thanks
@jack for taking interest.
It’s due to cost mainly.
Costs peaked $593 USD in March when Eden was still geographically distributed and we averaged over 900 connections on each node for their respective time zones. We’ve since taken costs down, and the bills totalled $217 in the month of June.
Granted there have been some issues accepting payments in the last month mainly because Eden is running on less resources, but even so new signups tanked way before that to one or two a day.
We’ve got this far and we should have been able to turn things around however for me in particular work and personal life responsibilities have taken priority now more than ever, and that meant less time to code up new revenue streams in a timely manner.
Thanks for the Followup 🫡transparant and honest 🫂
I wanted to but it was late for me and I wanted to get the numbers right before answering.
Maybe there’s hope in saving Eden for everyone.
Have you considered a subscription model? How many users are on your relay?
I’m sure you have considered the option but it’s just a thought
This is why I’m so interested in the Sats4Files model where users pay per byte… rate-limited style.
Sats4Files automatically swaps data for #bitcoin over Lightning by hiding the file’s decryption key as the Time-Locked Contract’s preimage.
Micropayments under-the-hood, monthly payment accumulates. These arbitrary monthly prices may not be sustainable for relays.
I’ve been working constantly on Sats4Files over the last week or two, trying to find a way to make it faster as it relies on many 32 byte elliptic curve operations. Wish me luck! 🍀
Will you continue to develop your relay software?
Yes of course, and prepaid as well.
Thanks for giving the numbers a good rest 🤘I’ve been thinking of running a relay for awhile now but also don’t see how the operating cost / subsriber fee balances out.
Just tossing something in the 🔥.. but maybe Eden could be a foundation / non profit funded by some donations. It sounds allot like centralisation though 😅but somebody has to be footing the bill for the non relay paying plebs or do I have things backwards?🙃
Anyways I thank you for your service 🫡 and may your new responsibilities bring you a 🖖
Happy to help to run and maintain the relay (if there is interest from you
@Cameri🐦🔥 )
Have been running my own relay since the beginning on nostream and also building a service that will offer hosted nostr relays:
https://freedomtech.hosting got 15+ experience in application hosting and enough servers to handle the load. DMd you :)
That’s sad news ! :( Thank you for all that you are doing to make this community what it is today !
Still thinking in centralized solutions for a decentralized platform, huh? 🤔😏
I think clients can start showing who is running the relays and people can then zap the operators as donations. I don't need zaps right now. Support other relays.
Thanks for having that out until now! Is the operation cost the main motivation for shutting it down?
By the way, how does one safely backup? Are you going to re-broadcast the notes stored on the relay?
oh, today I wanted to register my account on that node, sad to hear you have to shut it down. The name was cool.
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Sure, I’m focused on another project right now but I am going to continue running a relay privately.
One of the real ones 🙏🤙
Thanks for the response
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It helps us all build forward. 🫡
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to easily backup to major relays .. iefan made it
What the hell, might just as well try this now:
If this note gets zapped 720k sats, Eden will live another month. We are already over 33k in.
217 USD is about 720k sats at current prices if my math is right
the best i can do is 21m
Thanks for helping bootstrap the early days and for being an innovator for the paid relay model. Keep us updated with your work, im sure you’ll be doing something else groundbreaking soon!
what does the “backup and restore” process regarding notes look like?
Hi Cameri, so, I would like to pay for one months cost of your server if we can add NIP-50 to it. I guess I can pitch in for any dev work involved. I don't have deep pockets but I can do one month and maybe more #relay #grownostr
If you can send me your Bitcoin address I will send you half of the cost on Friday and the other half on Aug 1. #relay #grownostr
Honored to have learned from you, and I'm sure you didn't make this decision lightly. Nothing but respect . You fostered in an era and invested a great deal of time <3 Even that you're like "well...." shows how kind you are.
Yes please - wanna hear about it
Thanks for the good work Cameri 🫂⚡
Would definitely like to learn from your experience
Thank you so much for running the relay.
It was one of the first ones I added & Angela and yourself were always incredibly helpful.
Completely understand your decision, sometimes priorities change.
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Where transactional cost on the Nostr network cannot begin to pay for initial costs on every project, not in every case is this an unfavorable situation. I'm only focused on making a small donation to cover the your initial cost if I can.
No solution exists in perpetuity - all technologies evolve or are replaced over time. Few can justify prolonged burn rates indefinitely subsidizing others. Life responsibilities rightly take precedence.
I think this is a wise decision imho
