My wife wants our kids to go to college, but I really don't think they need to, or should. I think that entire system of education is antiquated and inefficient.
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depends on the field
I bet people that say this just haven't looked at other means of learning seriously. Or are indoctrinated in the system.
If they can find a good college it could be worth it. Not a trade school unless they want to be in the trades.
I agree with you. College is only good at turning out queer Marxist baffoons now, and even the hard sciences are being corrupted worse than they ever have been.
Mine isn't going unless he can give me a clear reason for doing so.
medicine and law
i am happy to hear alternative routes
I agree with you.
What do your kids want?
How do you become an engineer without a college degree? Genuine question. I don’t think that 90% of an undergrad engineering education is necessary to learn how to be an engineer, but at the same time, every single entry level engineering position requires a degree.
I would love if engineering heavy companies would skip the degree requirement and just go with a paid apprenticeship model. Teach people how to be an engineer on the job while they get payed a discounted rate. Something like that. Idk. Just spit ballin.
100% correct in my opinion… We have been telling our kids that there are many career options out there and most of them do not require expensive out of date college degrees or certificates…
Traditional forms of education are basically obsolete now
I suspect that you and your wife hold a view that the college educational system will still have a compelling reason to exist in 5-7 years time.
As Jack Spirko always recommends, have them learn a trade. They'll be able to apply it much better than any college degree. Trade schools would be much better as higher education than any college or university, with some exceptions.
Just tell her theres no point with general intelligence around the corner
Back in "the day" the sciences were more reliant on aprentiships, mentorships and self study. Those seeking that path would often concentrate on a very narrow path, and as they became more senior would often not have the interpersonal skills to pass on the knowledge or collaborate. Great such as Newton, Einstein, and others really did not have the skills to pass on their discoveries and sometimes let their egos get in the way of collaboration.
Both styles have there pros and cons, and I think a hybrid approach would work well. Not exactly a "physics apprenticeship" focused on self study of a narrow path, but not the general education we have now. We really need to rethink how education is done.
LLM literally knows more than doctors and lawyers...
Maybe the old style of mentorship and apprentice but include certifications when they are ready to actually practice kind of like how guilds operated.
I know self-taught lawyers, practicing, no law degree.
yeah, this would be way more interesting to me. learn as much as you can on your own and apprentice
They are 5 and 8 🤣
I do not hold this view at all. I think the entire college system is obsolete. Much more value in apprenticeship and shadowing.
It feels like there’s a massive opportunity to rethink education right now
My brother is a self-taught engineer. He heads the engineering department at his company.
It depends on the field. If they are doing something that doesn't require specialized resources, then its not necessary. However, if we're talking about disciplines like material science, chemical engineering, nuclear engineering, bioscience where the cost of building and training someone is dependent on multimillion dollar infrastructure you need to go to here.
For Example, there's a 5000 liter liquid nitrogen tank outside of one of Stanford's chem engineering labs. You are likely not going to fund this as an individual unless this is your family already runs an institution/org that does it, nor can you acquire hazmat goods without being part of an institution.
just my 0.02
Yeah. I guess I’m thinking more broadly and not about more specific cases like nuclear engineering.
Most trades people that I know did not make "the big bucks" till they started out with their own company
This video is already dated. Many models better than current lawyers.
Not saying it’s impossible. He could be the exception that proves the rule. Also, being the entire head of an engineering department is (most of the time) much less technical and much more about being an effective manager, essentially. I’m curious, how’d he get that role?
Lmao. Nvm y'all got time
not arguing against it
just saying that the entering the job market here without a degree in the field is borderline impossible
Then they will make their own jobs.
Compromise (ish) with a gap year
Yup, just don’t bother trying anything on the basis of a Silicon Valley tech bros wet dream coming true. That’ll get your far in life.
I think it’s best to look at it as an investment. If you can get a bachelors degree for less than $10k in a field with good career prospects, it’s probably worth it.
But if you’re spending $10k a semester and don’t have a very specific aim, you’re going to waste a TON of money.
However, I totally agree that the education system is extremely antiquated.
not impossible, but really difficult
Waste of time & money.
I have three grown kids. Youngest is 16
Both of my older got 3 year degrees. Business mgmt and construction mgmt
Neither of them needed those degrees to get their current jobs.
—My youngest (16) will assume a mgmt roll with his current tenure not a bullshit certification.
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This is how I feel, most degrees are bullshit. It's just monetary extraction, padded course content, lack of actual hands-on experience. I want to see an actual degree that is worth it, the contents of which could not be obtained elsewhere.
He moved up from the bottom so he actually held all the engineering positions before becoming dept head
I don’t know. I’ve never had anyone ask me about my schooling 🤣
Being able to show up. Be on time. Complete a task.
As well as being able to be creative in figuring out how to do those things.
No college needed.
At least not the current college we have. Save your money.
My B.S. degree is kinesiology.
I became a personal trainer at a hospital for a time out of college, I didn't need a degree for that.
Shortly after, I promoted to Fitness Specialist (worked with medically complex clients referred by Drs) and ran 2 locations and departments. Even though I spent hours a day watching videos from industry leaders and reading, I likely would not have gotten that promotion without a degree. I also would not have had the knowledge because I wouldn't have had the curriculum requiring me to learn things that didn't interest me.
Don't know that I wasted money, but certainly wasted time and didn't make money, connection, strong habits when I could have been working far harder than I was.
Maybe, but the experiences and friends I made in college last forever. I don't think it's necessary to be successful, but it also doesn't prevent someone smart from living up to their potential. Your kids should decide.
Home school… what does any child really need to learn first life?
Read
Write
Maths
And meditation
Everything else should be optional and guided by their own interests and passions
College is overpriced kindergarten for making your kids woke and turning them into broke, debt ridden communists when they eventually hit the graduate job apocalypse... say no.
Checkout "The Preparation" it is a newly published book, I bought it for my nephew, its " a field manual for young men (and the parents who love them) who know the old college formula is broken and want a roadmap that actually forges competence, confidence, and real‑world value."
Awesome. How old is he?
not that old, younger than you probably think
"Send your child to Rome and he will come back a Roman." That said, there are still some no-government-funded colleges that provide good and affordable education without the indoctrination.
My oldest took a gap year to finish her Japanese Language Proficiency Test certification. During that year, she decided she wanted to attend New Saint Andrews College because they focus on culture-building and prepare you to debate and defend your beliefs.
My second child (14) has already finished his high-school math, so now we’re figuring out what to do in the coming years. I’m not convinced a college STEM program is necessary unless the subject is something you can only learn in a college research lab or similar setting.
I did one year of university and then quit because I thought it was a total waste of time. I ended up working my way up the ladder at companies—since they all train you anyway. At one point I was a Senior Quantitative Analyst working with a bunch of PhDs. Nobody ever suspected that I didn’t even have a bachelor’s degree.
Going to college should be a 'No', unless you can gather enough reasons for actually investing the money and time. I will leave you with this video of NSA so you can see that their are other non-woke colleges:
Put your foot down for no. And if the kids themselves absolutely want to go and get brainwashed, let them pay for it.
The only alternative would be some kind of online university where the damage might be less.
Maybe there is a unicorn country out there where the university people are still normal, but I'm not sure.
Kids will learn more from home schooling than anything from school urgh.
Just ask @walker for his thoughts on this.
He was home schooled.
100%, what they learn there is already outdated today, how will it serve them tomorrow.
https://fountain.fm/show/0cjwJbTn6z3lPXNX8ISg
Mostly… unless you can find a really genuinely human focused education, forming the whole person. Community.. I know of a few really good Catholic colleges.. a few, out of hundreds that used to be perhaps when the boomers went, but were gutted, and continue to be gutted by secular, hive mind, rot..
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Trades and skilled workers is what the future will need to many book smart people already with AI making them obsolete and they have absolutely no practical skills just saying something to into
This is 100% two. Whole bunch of useless subjects there. Better to do homeschooling.
context assessment regarding the specific patient and pattern recognition from past experiences
you think llm has those sensors beat too already?
Absolutely 😂