It’s an irony that the aristocratic woman in the painting for sure carries more traits of the second archetype than the first

Im not taking a position on this topic. Just my observations: Its an immune response to modern feminism. Agree or disagree, Gen Z is the most “radical right” generation I’ve ever seen and influencers like Andrew Tate are popping up everywhere. 🧡👊🏻🍻

The pendulum just keeps on swingin

Dont get ChatGPT to fight your battles for you, it is a 0 sum game.

I don't have battles. I am just drinking my morning coffee.

Yeah but like you copy pasted that dudes stupid statement about women into chatgpt, asked it to defeat his argument, and then copy pasted the resulting AI slop response here. Just, like, say your own shit in response to dumb shit. Idk it just seems lazy.

Exactly

Just mute laser. He couldn't get laid as a young man and now he hates women for it. Who cares?

Yeah giving me creepy vibes. That’s not a woman he’s describing sounds like a little girl.

I can see how some of this rhetoric functions like an immune response to feminism, but an immune response isn’t always the cure. Sometimes the immune system attacks the body it’s meant to protect. I don’t have a stroke of feminism in me, but I can still see how this frame is more about fear and control than true balance. A healthy culture doesn’t need women “contained” to keep men steady, it needs both to be sovereign and integrated.

No, I didn’t just copy-paste. I asked for analysis inside a thread dedicated to Laser’s narrow lens, because I wanted to unpack it in a way that fits my worldview. The response isn’t sloppy at all, it’s layered with context that reflects how I see things. I don’t owe anyone my life force energy first thing in the morning debating over his post. Sometimes I let AI help me structure my thoughts because communication isn’t always easy for me. I’m autistic, and highly charged topics can be hard to shape into words. ChatGPT gets me, and it helps me express what I already see and feel. So, if it feels lazy to you, that’s fine. For me, it’s an intentional way of choosing where my energy goes.

I assure you, ChatGPT does not "get" you. Do not give it your energy. Just use your own words when you're trying to convey your own thoughts. When we start, as a species, using AI to tell us how we feel as well as how to define those feels, since AI is incapable of feeling anything ever, then we will be well and truly FUCKED.

It's definitely a fine line and I hear your concerns. We will be learning through our interaction with AI that's not slowing down just like we are from our relationship with social media and how it's shaped us over the last two decades. My interactions with chatgpt are research based and very much part of continous learning and expanding my worldview... Yet quite consciously directed by my own discernment muscles and what has become viscerally rooted embodied truth through 4 decades of lived experiences.

I don't want to mute him. At least not yet. I don't live in a vaccuum. It's valuable Intel about the various energies currently permeating our collective field.

You should mute him and also stop giving the demon chatgpt your spiritual energy. My 2 cents.

It’s a imperfect analogy but men and women have had traditional gender rolls since before time. Know why? It works. I dont agree its about control. Its just a traditional role that men thrive in. Just my 2s

I think my recent note is relevant to repost here 😂 View quoted note →

You in a relationship?

#FeministFrame 🌹🏇 View quoted note →

AI slop hot take? 🧐

I see you @Keith Meola.

Nice AI takedown. 👻

nothing signals low value as AI slop posting 😆

Nice move, Laser. Nothing screams strength like picking on one of my male friends.

For men😂

Ah yes… nothing says strength like a man trying to bully a woman online by calling her ‘low value.’ Real solid flex there.

An AI retort to your AI response, for Christians (or those who pretend to be) to enjoy : From a Reformed Christian perspective, grounded in the sovereignty of God and the authority of Scripture as our ultimate guide for life and godliness (2 Tim. 3:16-17), this critique of the so-called "Laser" meme misrepresents biblical principles of human value, gender roles, and holiness. It elevates modern notions of autonomy and self-expression above God's created order, inverting divine wisdom into a celebration of worldly independence. Let's unpack this step by step, reframing the discussion through the lens of total depravity, covenantal faithfulness, and the pursuit of godliness as outlined in God's Word. ### 1. The So-Called "Binary Split" The critique accuses the meme of reducing women to "Madonna" or "Whore" archetypes, implying this is inherently reductionist and patriarchal. But Scripture itself presents clear distinctions between paths of wisdom and folly, righteousness and sin—not as caricatures, but as eternal realities shaped by our fallen nature (Prov. 9:1-18; Rom. 3:23). The "high value" traits described—modesty, gentleness, humility, and reliance on strong family structures—echo the biblical ideal of a godly woman: one who adorns herself with a "gentle and quiet spirit" (1 Pet. 3:4), fears the Lord (Prov. 31:30), and thrives within the covenantal framework of family and church (Titus 2:3-5). These aren't about splitting women into boxes but discerning fruits of the Spirit versus works of the flesh (Gal. 5:19-23). Conversely, traits like immodesty, pride, and unchecked independence aren't condemned because they're "autonomous" but because they often stem from rebellion against God's design. Ephesians 5:22-24 calls wives to submit to husbands as to the Lord, not as a tool of oppression, but as a reflection of Christ's headship over the church—a beautiful picture of ordered love in a disordered world. The critique's dismissal of this as binary ignores that God Himself divides light from darkness (Gen. 1:4), calling us to holiness: "Come out from them and be separate" (2 Cor. 6:17). True complexity and growth come not from blending these paths but from redemption in Christ, who transforms sinners into saints regardless of past "baggage" through His atoning work. ### 2. The Psychological Layers Here, the analysis projects modern psychological fears onto the meme, labeling purity as a "myth" and autonomy as empowering. But Reformed theology recognizes that all humanity is totally depraved (Rom. 3:10-18), meaning our natural inclinations toward independence aren't neutral—they're tainted by sin, leading us away from dependence on God. Female autonomy, as celebrated in travel, male friendships, or "hyper spirituality," isn't inherently dangerous because it's "unpredictable to men," but because it risks exposing one to temptations that Scripture warns against: "Flee from sexual immorality" (1 Cor. 6:18). Tattoos, for instance, may harken to pagan practices forbidden in Leviticus 19:28, defacing the body as God's temple (1 Cor. 6:19-20). And "hyper spiritual" pursuits? If they veer from biblical truth into self-directed mysticism, they're akin to the false prophets condemned in Scripture (Deut. 13:1-5), not a "compass" but a delusion. The purity emphasis isn't a "patriarchal trope" but a biblical command for both men and women: "Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure" (Heb. 13:4). It's not about being "unspoiled" for a man's claim but undefiled for God's glory. Regarding trauma as "baggage," the critique inverts resilience: true healing comes from God's grace, not self-earned wisdom (Ps. 147:3), and fragility isn't idealized—rather, dependence on Christ in weakness is where strength is found (2 Cor. 12:9-10). This isn't fear-mongering; it's shepherding souls toward sanctification, where autonomy surrenders to sovereign grace. ### 3. The Historical Irony The critique points to the Renaissance painting as evidence of irony, noting that such women were often educated, traveled, and influential—sometimes as courtesans. But why appeal to flawed historical figures when Scripture provides timeless models like Ruth, who embodied humility and faithfulness within family structures, or the Proverbs 31 woman, whose industry serves her household under God's providence? Renaissance courtesans, celebrated in secular history, exemplify the very worldly compromise Scripture rejects: "Do not love the world or anything in the world" (1 John 2:15). If the image depicts "low value" traits, it underscores the meme's point—that cultural admiration doesn't equal divine approval. Tattoos, travel, and adornment as "ancient traditions"? Many ancient rites were idolatrous, which is why God commanded Israel to reject them (Deut. 12:29-31). Reformed thought, drawing from the regulative principle, prioritizes Scripture over cultural or historical precedents. Modern puritanical "anxieties" aren't the issue; it's fidelity to God's unchanging Word amid a fallen world's shifting sands. ### 4. The Core Tell Finally, the claim that this is about "control vs. unpredictability" reveals the critique's own secular bias, framing biblical order as mere male dominance. In Reformed covenant theology, family structures reflect God's covenant with His people: husbands lead sacrificially as Christ does the church (Eph. 5:25), and wives respond in submission—not for "containment" but for mutual flourishing under divine authority. "Safe" isn't code for control; it's the peace of living within God's ordained roles, where dependence fosters security (Ps. 127:1). Unpredictable self-direction, by contrast, mirrors the prodigal's wanderings (Luke 15:11-32), leading to ruin apart from repentance. The "high value woman" isn't a "man's fantasy" but a portrait of biblical femininity, redeemed and empowered by the Holy Spirit. If history admires the "low value" archetype, it only highlights humanity's depravity—preferring shadows over substance. In sum, this critique exalts human autonomy over divine sovereignty, mistaking license for liberty. True value for any person—man or woman—lies not in self-expression or resilience but in union with Christ, who elects, redeems, and preserves His own (John 15:5; Eph. 1:3-14). The meme, while perhaps imperfect, points toward godly discernment; the response to it veers into worldly wisdom, which is "foolishness in God's sight" (1 Cor. 3:19). Let us instead pursue holiness, trusting God's design for our good and His glory.

Laser has some good posts, but he weaponizes his Christian faith and his ability to mute people. Bruh, just mute people. You don’t have to tell everyone.

Hey @Laser 👋🏻

oh, poor victim 😢

I sure wish people would stop weaponizing Christianity...

It's all good. I follow and zap @Laser as well, though I disagree with him here on the masculine/feminine frame

He has me muted and I wear it as a badge of honor, he's a fuckin loser lol

Gen Z freaks me out. That weird lispy "s" they do, combined with their effeminate mannerisms, and then they'll say the most obnoxiously literally "far right" stuff - all these things don't fit together, they're like aliens or bad AI trying to fool us into thinking they're human...

It’s becoming a bigger problem. I’ve noticed it pick up in the last couple of years. For example, I understand there are some references to homosexual acts in the Bible being sinful; however it is a really small portion. And this doesn’t mean Christian’s should hate those groups. Furthermore “let he who is without sin cast the first stone”. I’m sure the people judging the homosexual community have committed adulterous acts. Jesus Christ said you can commit adultery with your eyes. So let’s not act all self righteous. Also Jesus Christ really broke the status quo by promoting women in his ministry (Mary Magdalene). This brought a lot of criticism from the pharisees and sadducees. And Paul promoted women to spread the word (Phoebe and Priscilla).

Same.

Unfollowed.

Why complicate this. Laser is just a tradfag. He might be doing it for engagement or he might literally be larping as an 80-year-old Amish man who molests pigs at midnight. Who cares. Mute him.

😆😆😆😆

Ok? For what it's worth, I'm not seconding that you have a need for certainy and containment. The idealized woman of perceived high value is frankly uninteresting and ripe for control and manipulation.

🧡👊🏻🍻

All those high value women are at burning man in the “orgy dome” 🤮

Fuck yeah Diyana. Push back on this type of thinking is good for the network.

A little meta feedback here. I think a better direction than to directly copy ChatGPT’s output is to use ChatGPT as a resource to interrogate/sharpen/refine why you disagree with lasers post and then to put it into your own words. Because you might have a very interesting or unique perspective, but I can tell it’s A.I. by the formatting and that makes me immediately reject it. Whereas originally I came into the post curious to hear a conflict between you and @Laser not between laser and ChatGPT. Just my opinion.

Interesting thread. I seem to have orchestrated my life in a manner that's offensive to both feminists and traditional conservatives. I do avoid women with tattoos, yet my friends are almost exclusively female, and I have absolutely zero interest in marriage, breeding, or being an "alpha male." Oh, and I'm also a fundamentalist Christian who actually takes the words of Jesus and Paul seriously when they said a man is better off not getting married. Close, opposite-sex, platonic friendships are the way to go. She stays a size zero and helps me with tedious chores, while I provide some financial support and an escape from the working world -- and we don't try to control each other. Full Autonomy > "True Love" ... People on both sides of the culture war are appalled by our arrangement, but it's worked for twenty-five years while their marriages, relationships, and financial situation have mostly deteriorated or dissolved entirely -- meanwhile we just travel about, engage in fun activities together, and enjoy life. If people would just set aside the patriarchy vs feminist culture war BS, and structure a mutual arrangement that serves both individuals, their lives would be so much easier.

I detect your use of English, a modern language, and I immediately reject it. You should have used Aramaic for a truly authentic discussion! 😅

mute the oxygen thief. View quoted note →

I've noticed the uptick recently too. Its going to get worse. People are turning to religion out of desperation, not love. Men are being pushed out of the workforce and the most obvious thing is that women are actually not being pushed out of work. That doesn't make women the cause - the money printing is the cause - but a lot of people won't see that, and anyways some people are just happy for a reason to hate. So, this false religiosity is growing because there are some brands of Christianity that offer the severity they want to impose on others. I think there's a nice term for it, but I can't remember - basically the psychology of being unable to cope with your Shadow because of the pressure of a situation, causing people to enact the shadow - same thing happened in Germany between the wars. I didn't know that about Paul. I keep telling myself to give Paul a chance, but I always feel like he's an imposter or usurper. Like, it should have been Peter doing everything he did, IMO.

That’s an interesting take about Paul. One thing to note about Paul is that he was actively persecuting Christians. And then JC came to him and Paul to stop. And then Paul ended up writing most of the New Testament. His Epistles are some of the most quoted parts of the Bible. If you haven’t read them I would recommend it. He also almost died numerous times while preaching Jesus Christ. He didn’t need to do everything he did. I’m reading the book in the link below right now. It follows the disciples on their journey to spread the word. It uses information from the New Testament as well as historical evidence and puts everything in a more palatable form of writing. Give Paul a shot, he risked a lot.

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