Open borders, mass migration are highly destructive and ANTI-LIBERTARIAN. Closed borders, remigration are highly constructive and PRO-LIBERTARIAN. Give me liberty or give me death.

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uncleJim21 2 weeks ago
noooo i am le epig contrarian libertariannnn nooooo the state is always bad even if it's executing Iryna's killer
Lolbertarians think that the nation is the state and so nationalism is bad but the nation is the just the private property of it's population and the state is the machinery used for either good (rare) or evil (common) management of their collective society.
Currently reading “Camp of The Saints” by Jean Raspail. Intriguing book on this subject. I think you’d like it. In most places it’s out of circulation. Glad I got my hands on one.
The socialiat policies of the state create an incentive for mass immigration. Remove the socialist policies from the state that do not protect property rights and you remove the incentive for mass immigration, n Of course, the currency wars that collapse the currencies of poorer countries also adds fuel to the fire. This is not even a fringe libertarian idea. I've heard Rand Paul make similar arguments.
There are libertarians that think there should be open borders, but I don't think they represent most libertarians.
"Private property of its population": True, couldn't put it better myself "The state is the machinery used": somewhat disagree; the State is a captured, monopoly version of the traditions any society uses to manage itself.
Yup. States ALWAYS do this under internal stress, cannibalizing their tax base to fund immediate needs. "Against The Grain: a deep history of the earliest States" goes into this in some detail (Warning: "piracy" site)
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uncleJim21 2 weeks ago
It's an order of operations problem. Removing the welfare state is going to be a generational project. Removing illegals can and should happen right now. I'm done with this "we can win after we lose for another generation and maybe do radical change". No. That's not gonna happen bro. Be 1% pragmatic. Libertarianism has become so cartoonish quibbling about bullshit while getting steamrolled at every turn.
Even without a welfare state, Americans can and should have closed borders, closed culture, and curated peoples. Inmediate need is sending illegals home. Welfare state can probably only be defended with #Bitcoin + reset at this point. @uncleJim21 is right; order of operatuons. Strategy. We have to play the board in real life not just score simpfluencer points on the internet. View quoted note →
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uncleJim21 2 weeks ago
Agreed. Freedom of association is perhaps the most underrated and most important freedoms there is. Civil rights movements totally breached the structural integrity of that right. And now Cloward Pivon mass migration is the logical next step. I think Laser and I share that we have been close up to some high level libs revealing their depravity casually. By mere happenstance when I was around ten years old I was around such people and they would literally describe Cloward Pivon to me (proudly). Those adults went on to become very powerful in US politics. I didn't understand what it meant at the time but I realize now they were signaling support for a genocidal Bolshevik plan. Libertarians playing the armchair quarterback "what my IDEAL society would look like" game need to grow up. That's gonna take a hundred years. You are up against evil you can barely comprehend. Start where we are which is dangerously close to Bolshevism and fight accordingly.
"Remove the socialist policies from the state that do not protect property rights and you remove the incentive for mass immigration" The ruling class behind our century long socialist blitz are exactly the ones using mass migration as a hatchet to bludgeon to fell the US and impregnate it with Communism. You can't remove the incentive of free welfare when it's being wielded as a weapon by the enemies of our country. The Bolsheviks must be made to fail, they must be destroyed, the color revolution playbook must be rendered inert, and 100m+ illegals must be sent home. Buckle up because liberty is going to get ugly but it'll be worth it.
Maybe the libertarian party is different than it was in 2008. It's been a while since I've followed it.
Without exception, the big handles who think Americans have no right to remove trespassers from their property, are foreigners. @DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞, who created the biggest license bait/switch in the #Bitcoin space, is a foreigner. @Jameson Lopp, a shitcoiner attacking the reference implementation with spam, is a foreigner. And that's just the biggest ones. These foreigners don't understand that mass migration is a weapon that populations, including Americans, have a right to defend themselves from. America is for Americans. Self rule is an expression of private property rights. We decide who gets to reside and pass through our borders. Involuntary mass migration is theft. When it's coordinated from within, it's treason. The citizens attacking our country's sovereignty are traitors of the worst sort: they're communist scum. Seriously: shame on you faggots. You don't understand liberty. You dont understand libertarianism. You are LARPING. What was Canada doing while we fought the Communists and Nazis in WWII? Right now you trying to marry the CCP. Go fix your own shithole country on the brink of hell. GM & GFY. #AmericaFirst View quoted note → image
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the axiom 2 weeks ago
just because open-borders is anti-libertarian that doesn't mean closed borders is libertarian both are government policies, both are wrong, you have misunderstood the video you've shared