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Nostr is the nightmare of bigtechs and dictators.
Mis 4 clientes
nostr0.vercel.app
nostrguard.vercel.app
substr-three.vercel.app
v0-badgy.vercel.app
It wins if apps work
Let's say, it's not the only usecase. #Nostr has so many possibilities. And with tools like #Shakespeare you can create any Nostr-based app for any usecase, and you don't need any programming knowledge.
🎯💯
Also floreelz!
The truth is that Nostr has been a failure so far. Few active participants, empty groups, and it keeps declining. This will only change if Nostr becomes easier to use, forms strategic partnerships, and attracts some celebrities and their fans.
You created a social media platform. Change the way people around the world communicate. Now. you have optimized the new mode of social platforms.
Nothing is on you !
Am going to try your client for Spanish subtitles to video
full ack
And fanfares.io as a way to pay for stuff without giving up your freedom
Pfft. Speak for yourself. I've been around over two years. It has gotten easier, faster, safer, more reliable (except primal), more interesting, more varied than twitter clones, and I've met some of the best people in the world (even in person) through the nostr protocol.
You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion, but... Go be a doomer somewhere else or build something better.
Actually,Although I can't use Twitter now, in fact, I still like Twitter as a social product. Twitter is the real social media.🤭🫢
But it must be easy the tell which app delivers and not just claims it's nostrness (deception)
#Nostr, this social, is actually the most suitable for Chinese, but unfortunately, the Chinese are too stupid. Chinese people don't understand the importance of Nostr as a firewall that can avoid CCP.🫣
I'll be bombing zap.cooking with recipes in about a month
freedom is always inconvenient and never popular 🤷
Happy Thanksgiving, Jack.
E por essa versatilidade que é bom. Quem vem buscando um X que descubra as possibilidades que o Nostr permite e entenda que não é uma “alternativa”, é uma rede.
Is there a good spot to learn about how nostr relays work / what they are / how to add them properly etc..?
Will the android version of white noise work with an android phone that has graphene os?
I have it installed on my graphene OS handset and it's connected
What can we build on nostr that can’t be built on centralised systems?
Agreed. The path is clear.
View quoted note →nostr wins when it’s unstoppable, uncensorable, and ungovernable.
0xchat for private messaging
Give the peasants something other than a Twitter Clone or Twitter adjacent.
Please
View quoted note →We need more devs to build those 50+ other stuff thingies
Probably you can apply on AOS...
Fuck twitter
Nostr isnt twitter
just create a great company 😕
🧡
Where’s the fun in that? An app should be a struggle.
Great as in the size big?
Yes
What is your ancher point to make that conclusion?
Well I think the current nostrverse is filled with people who don’t like big companies. But maybe Im biased and I personally hate to work and for big companies.
So getting to big companies in the nostrverse is a long way, but I do see the benefits of having them tho.
I see this. Maybe try to reinstall the app?
hm. yeah no luck unfortunately. i also tried republishing key package.
@White Noise - any idea what the problem could be here?
Are you happy with how andotherstuff.org is being run?
I liked the idea, but frankly it did not deliver on it's promise of community involvement, transparency etc.
andotherstuff.org (the website) seems to have the right ideas to add in more devs and community, but it is just a boilerplate website of dead promises. So why not move forward on that? Just lacking a leader on both projects I suppose? Is this an inherent problem with these non profits, is transparency is a threat to the model?
I'm a previous opensats recipient btw, the project is doing OK but could do so much more.. I could do more. My last application/proposal may have been too ambitious, because I am ambitious. I am looking to disrupt, create community and accelerate here but all I got back was a boilerplate rejection. How am I supposed to guess at what needs doing, what my mistakes may have been, and apply my skills where they are needed? Opensats invested in me and my projects in the past, why is it so nebulous to determine a path forward afterward? 🤔
Happy black friday 🎉
who need indpendnt tinking bilders when jack rich n throw munney round? him invent nostr so he king. he save bitcoin by do 100000000:1 split! only ever be 2.1 quadillon bitcoin! soon me have 2000 bitcoin worth $1.82! me rich! moon-lambo-botes-hose!
Nostr wins of it becomes more standardized and interoperable.
"50 different apps that all talk to each other".
About what though? What is Bitchat talking to DiVine about? What is Shakespeare talking to White Noise about?
Other pitches I get, but I'm not sure I understand this cross-talk-between-radically-different-apps pitch.
View quoted note →Whitenoise Vs Session, or are they one and the same and it's a matter of preference?
More apps are cool
But I want to use an uncensorable & truly FREE twitter clone tho 👌 we just need time & more censorship for people to switch
Most of the people on
@Airchat have no idea what nostr is but use it everyday.
On Airchat, everyone talks daily without knowing anything about nostr. It’s seamless integration.
when jack says something obvious,
everybody listens
View quoted note →God is ecosystem
Agreed.
Nostr is part of a zero-knowledge trust (ZNT) ecosystem.
Started building ZNT last week, with Nostr as the first authorisation protocol. The reason was the only viable option is Hashicorp's vault technology. That would mean us being able to administer customer's trading portfolio keys.
There are other Magic 7 implementations that suck, OAuth.
Incidentally, X blocked out Cryptostatto account for talking about Nostr and sharing a get endpoint. Everything AI automated BS.
A failure? Not for me.
I don't miss the masses at all.
nostr adoption via twitter-clone is like playing hard-mode
All “alternative to ____” nostr apps will benefit from adoption, not cause it.
View quoted note →Bitcoin is open-source decentralized censorship-resistant protocol layer of value. Nostr is open-source decentralized censorship-resistant protocol layer of information.
It wins with all those other apps but also with the ones that compete with X.com! If in the US, X might be censorship resistant, that is not the case in most of other jurisdictions where Musk just does deals that involve X. So yeah, nostr also needs to be a clone for Twitter.
💯
It is amazing how jack seemed to be enemy #1 back at twitter, but now he is like hero #1
and for content creators nostr is a business-in-a-box... people just haven't realised that yet.
It wins if builders keep building and us shitposters keep shitposting.
@jack
It would be desirable if Nostr one day achieved the same status as X (Twitter).
If you want to stay up-to-date, you currently have to use X.
If you were to use Nostr exclusively, you might still be largely trapped in the Bitcoin bubble. X is 14 years older than Nostr. But with a little patience, the time will come that the Nostr community is hoping for.
So grateful that #Nostr exists 🙏
would be awesome if you promote nostr on rogan
Nostr wins if it allows us to keep posting whatever we want. Truly keeps the 1st amendment. I can't even see the posts from people I follow in X. It's the most annoying thing.
Twitter used to win when you were around because people felt in community. I joined twitter only for the tech community. The community was thriving. The tech community in X is dead. RIP. People no longer share their code.
View quoted note →On it! We're already done that this week with our Web of Trust foundation intiative ;-) Stay tuned! /cc
@Jeroen ✅Nostr is going to be out of grave importance when certain groups find this place to do some strategic moves... this place is the only place you will see in the future where real rebels interact. No one needs celebrities... We need smart courageous people instead.
THAT WILL SHAPE NEW SOCIETY !!!!
Are we using the same Nostr?
This sounds cool but also kinda illegible
"On nostr we have everything, but nothing works."
– A Nostrich friend, 2 years ago 😂
It's a zap stack attack from jack thats not wack!
View quoted note →this is true... the protocol is powerful but user growth is important too...
i think it needs monetary incentives apart for organic v4v zaps.. that's the big conundrum...
I agree, but to your credit
@jack, you and team tapped into a sweet spot for engagement with Twitter (short messaging, embedded video and images, etc). So, I don’t think it’s an either or….i think it’s matter of everything you said about Nostr being a base protocol for 50+ useful apps AND one or more of those being Twitter-like.
@primal and
@Damus have the market on this. Excited about future for all Nostr based apps.
I like it better than twitter though. I don't like algorithms trying to manipulate me.
Lets present
@AuthenticDoc The new way to achieve real immutability in the world of digital signature services. Built on #nostr #choosetruth www.authenticdoc.online
Well that settles it…I’m going back to X. 😂
☝️
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True.
But also an uncensorable twitter clone is very useful in many countries... HK, Vzla, Cuba, China, Turkey, Brazil, UK, etc.
We are getting there.
People want to normify things because they want to increase their clout and follower count. If something normifies, it should happen organically, because the thing was useful to people. A thing should be useful to whoever finds it useful, not seek to be everything to everyone. Chasing that is MBA thinking, it's something only spoken by FAANG webdevs building a resume who casually use terms like "business case."
Yes agreed which is why we are developing NOSTR fundraising as a value play with incredible upside and zero downside. No cost, no risk, cancel anytime, very simple yet very powerful when NOSTR, Bitcoin and ecash are combined with lightning of course and an easy way to adopt freedom tech without understanding anything🙂
Thank you Jack. The way you have incorporated square is ideal and a huge value prop which could be exclusive to square on a subscription side but open on the benefit side to all.
Rogan doesnt talk with btcers. Fk him.
#GM Fren 🌞 have an amazing day today
I'm quite new to Nostr but man it's exciting. So much to learn 💪
View quoted note →We fully agree and we have been building and working hard for the last Year. We present AuthenticDoc.online Digital Signature application that creates verifable, trulv immutable documents locked in forever. Cheaper, Legal and far more secure built on #nostr. In todays world where creating content is so easy with AI this product allows for real authenticity. The digital signature industry is broken, untrustworthy, expensive and definitely not secure. Lets change this. Get access today. It is free www.authenticdoc.online #choosetruth let's build
Yeah - we can find out why Jack banned and shadowbanned literally all of the antivaxx doctors off of Twitter.
protocols, not platforms
View quoted note →Yes, protocols win by disappearing into workflows. Feels like Nostr's "Twitter clone phase" is just onboarding. For comms, I see
@PRobot as a tiny PR rail inside that 50 app stack.
This is the most interesting question
So many possibilites!
Nice
was going to say this.
all the apps listed there are apps I tried at some point and that didn't really work.
your app works, but when I try to spell Amethyst that part doesn't work.
, Germany, etc.
Decentralizing repos to me is the coolest feature in nostrland atm. Waiting for you to add your apps to nostr gittr.space 👾🐈⬛
PEBKAC lol
thank you true true
Like block and bitcoin? One giant corp that traps you? 😅
Exactly right. I tried to express that sentiment to fiatjaf earlier this year.
“Clones” rarely win over the original. But Nostr wins because it is the social / identity / marketplace layer for Bitcoin... and a decentralised communications layer for countless other apps.
View quoted note →Important to note thought that this is a major pivot, with all that major pivoting entails.
This is a case of "as it turns out toothbrushes are useful to clean bathtub grout". Which can be true, but still, it's important to stay aware that toothbrushes were designed to brush your teeth with.
Not really a pivot, just leaning into the “os” of Nostr… Notes “and Other Stuff” transmitted by relays.
Notes is the familiar hook, and decentralized social media is a vital piece of the puzzle.
But just being a twitter clone is leaving the bulk of Nostr’s unique superpowers hidden.
It's a massive pivot though. Other stuff was never envisioned as primary.
Also what we're looking at now is way beyond even the other stuff part.
What we're looking at now is basically an API-substitute. Which is cool. But that's a far cry from a open social media protocol that ensures people can post without worrying about arbitrary moderation policies.
Still true today, consistency is everything 🫡
I just thought of it today ✨️🥳
We'll look back on these times when nothing works fondly. And wish them back.
This is the way. I’m on nostr for free speech, publishing, discussing and building infra.
From the non dev angle, it’s hard to understand the technical connections yet I’m bullish on owning your own data; btc is the cherry on top.
View quoted note →Nostr made significant progress and changes in two years.
Many appa have become way way better since.
Wow. Thanks for the zap. Feels amazing to be honest. Will add more updates about this software. Feel truly blessed with regards to nostr and its potential. Still learning and staying humble.
I can see that happening, as I do feel that way about astral.ninja
Oh yeah many apps did, but some shit didn't. I still don't know which client to use for DM's myself. We'll get there eventually!
Gotta stick with her
Have you listened to Dr. Robert Epstein (
https://americasdigitalshield.com/) lay out the insidious influence Google and Facebook exert on behavior on Rogan and Danny Jones?
Listening the other day, I couldn’t help but think of nostr and the potential of distributed consensus networks as the backbone of an antidote.
@jack keeping eyes on the prize again.
View quoted note →i got an answer from the devs,
@Paulo
wanna try?
Sounds like too much fucking work.🚬☕️😒
I guess it will get massive adoption when the underlying technology gets invisible.
Nobody wants to configure network connections and sync stuff but everyone want collaborative coding/authoring for codes/docs and cloud shared saves of data. When that becomes as easy as google drive/office integration, nostr has won and Bitcoin with it.
Exactly: ecosystem will connect, strengthen and accelerate the protocol. A win-win-win.
Can’t wait
Agreed
“Love this vision Jack ⚡
Excited to see Nostr grow — learning & stacking sats every day 🙏”
Ex-Twitter got so insufferable. It‘s super toxic and I realised it affected me horribly so I finally will try out being on here as I think this is a much nicer app.
May I ask respectfully why you sold or why you came back with Nostr/primal? Did you find X so terrible that you just had to come back with social media people could enjoy again? 😃
Two thoughts on this:
1. We need to get out of the mindset of “building nostr apps”. We simply need to build great products that people want to use, and Nostr will be the underlying protocol. So totally agree with Jack on this.
2. In the long run, we will absolutely displace X and other closed platforms. It will be a grind, but we will wrestle away the network effects from gradually, then suddenly.
View quoted note →Plus easy to use. (And integrates into current system. Probably to only support previous point.)
@Svetski sounds familiar?
What happened to Universes.to ?
Release soon?
nostr wins if it turns invisible
NO-str
View quoted note →A cocktail of half-built apps isn’t going to win us anything. A handful of incredible black holes that millions of people use and hop between with the same nsec will make us win. Instead of 50 apps, maybe it’ll only be 3 or so at first… the infinite slop machine is not the way. Cloning TikTok/Vine feels like a step backwards, a feeble attempt at virality.
💯 correct
Zero reason for anyone not interested in decentralized tech to use these service where is a mirror / replica of something which probably works better as a centralized solution.
We need to build things which are fundamental different because they are built on Nostr
I tend to agree, but all the half built slop is part of the process, and can't be stopped. it's also totally possibly that amazing things can come out of this process. most people just won't be aware any of it exists.
So it'sreally not an issue. The larger issue is a lack of good products thus far but it's super early days. patience pays
Iterations are the name of the game.
But we should be realistic — expecting 50+ apps to become popular before even 1 or 2 incredible nostr apps become popular is idealistic.
We should carve a few perfect gems, then that will inspire people to build new gems and to pull pieces from the existing ones. That’s exactly what we did with Damus and
@Airchatthere isn't really a 'we' though. While there are many people with aligned visions, this is a tree with many branches heading in a multitude of directions. ultimately the direction will be directed by the market - the users.
We as in the history of jack
BlueSky -> Web5 -> OpenSats -> AOS
So much money and funding bouncing around. That’s the “we” I’m talking about.
Clients can be big as long as the spec is clear. You can still login to small clients with the same nsec…
We should be worried about big relays (data centralization) and not having enough relays e.g. data availability. This phobia to big clients mindless if data portability is still preserved.
Airchat is growing to be quite a big codebase, should I just stop developing it? We shouldn’t be parroting these ideas to developers then getting disappointed when all we get is half-baked projects that don’t go anywhere.
This phobia to big clients is* mindless if data portability is still preserved.
This got me thinking so I came up with the Content Hook Strategy. I would appreciate feedback on this.
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But still , we like to have a twitter style app that has millions of users for news and life of people you follow ?
A bit like this?
It uses Nostr for the backend
Jobstr - Decentralised Jobs Protocol
I know this sounds like a dumb question but how does my Nostr account interact with bitchat?
Censorship resistant connections (whether that is social, financial, technical, etc).
I say resistant because even nostr use can be censored it just takes enough relays or even users to block you.
Centralized systems are inherently censored because there is one authority that has rules you need to go by. A centralized system also will mainly be put into place for gain, weather financial/profit or power.
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