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It is a free market isn’t it
Preach
Apple doesn’t take a cut on physical sales
You are hateful and jealous of
@Vitor Pamplona when you should not be. It should be a team not a separation.
Also what am I hating on? It's a serious concern for people building appstore apps, even his.
I don’t understand why they don’t censor web browsers or privacy focused group chats apps and many others, if they are worried about what people are going to do with them
Having a dedicated storefront in-app with listings of drugs is a bit different
Apple will probably just make the apps filter out questionable products. Isn’t that the most likely outcome?
OK, but they certainly do think they have the right to take the cut for donations to charitable and not-for-profit organizations like churches, which is ridiculous.
This entire social media makes selling drugs easy so its on your conscious too
Sooo many people use Snapchat to sell drugs.
It’s only for digital sales. Stop coming at Will, he’s not against marketplaces or vitor, he’s for it all, he’s just raising a GENUINE concern.
Truth can hurt I understand man
If he is so concerned this whole site without marketplace allows for the sale of drugs. This is quite ridiculous 🙄
People sell drugs on Instagram. Do you think Meta is responsible? No. The person selling the drugs is. Obviously a marketplace is needed, we want Nostr to be capable of everything and anything. I'm thinking Will is just feeling a bit intimidated by
@Vitor Pamplona amazing advancements in this wonderful protocol we call Nostr.
View quoted note →Tell that to Ross
Ils se devraient d'être responsables non nostr jusqu'au moment où il y aurait une légalisation de certaines drogues dures ou non. Ils ne doivent point attirer des États à cibler nostr , paradoxalement c'était fut les États étaient des trafiquants sans l'histoire de la Drogue et Toxicomanies
You are unnecessarily stirring up trouble where it doesn’t exist. Nothing about his post is hateful or displays “jealousy.” You are just projecting.
JB is bringing up legitimate concerns that these centralized corporations will absolutely be all over if this occurs. Only a shallow first level thinkers wouldn’t consider these factors in their application build.
You can’t seriously be trying to compare a dedicated store front in app to people selling stuff to each other in dms, if you are this conversation is over.
I'm not positive, but do you mean the guy who ran the silk road. A website that's sole purpose was drugs. Which would be the difference! The marketplace being built is not INTENDED for drugs. Same with any marketplace. But the silk road was purely for illicit product.
And if he isn't against
@Vitor Pamplona he should have worded that very differently.. I found it very mud slinging. Vitor deserves to be stood up for as well, not just Will.
Yes.
I still feel like a storefront would bring more heat than someone posting stuff on their profile. Imagine if there was a full blown silkroad on here with easy to browse goods. I don’t know if people who threw Ulbricht in jail for life would care about the nuance of such technologies. All I’m saying is that it’s a larger risk for people building it into their appstore apps.
It has been for a while ser sleepy
#FreeWill
Not in the Google Play Store it isn’t. It’s google’s walled garden and they decide what is and isn’t allowed.
Nobody cares, it’s your interpretation.
At the end of the day he meant well, while you choose to see it as otherwise. It’s a general note, not directed at Vitor so why should he be stood up for in this scenario ? Nobody is attacking him. I love vitor, I’d defend him if he was. You’re attacking Will bc of your wrong interpretation of his note, so here I am explaining there’s no reason to, there’s some kind of misunderstand coming from your interpretation of what he said. That’s all 🫡 good day!!
I’m not intimidated at all, he is doing his own things and that is great, thats what nostr is good at. I’m raising a valid concern that would make me hesitant of building a marketplace. Unmoderated marketplaces is just giving appstores a huge reason to take down his and my app. Weird that you are reading my post this way unless you are just trying to cause drama for no reason.
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Didn’t even know amethyst had it!
In the US, Section 230 (the law Trump wanted to get rid of) is supposed to protect app developers from being liable of user generated content. Nostr should offer another layer of protection, since none of the content is actually generated on your app.
Would it be possible to build a marketplace on Damus that excludes (filters) illegal items?
What’s the evidence to support this claim? I always thought Silk Road was just built as an anonymous marketplace facilitating payments with digital gold. The market decided that the best use case for this was drugs.
lol, says the man who can’t be zapped
I would build it into my desktop client, seems too risky for damus unless there was some insanely censored setup which I don’t feel like dealing with
Yea agree Ross create the marketplace it wasn’t intended for any specific good or service, the drug dealers were the early Silk Road adopters.
That’s just a game of whack-a-mole. All it takes one time for an App Store reviewer to open up the app, see something illicit for sale, and bam, app is gone forever.
According to you guys is nostr already resilient enough to resist a nation state attack from the US and EU combined in case of Silkroad 2.0 happening on nostr ?
Won’t most of the relays operators feel the pressure and censor this notes, making it no more difficult to shut down than a single server ?
Buy #bitcoin art not cocaine.
View quoted note →We’re talking about appstores not nostr in general. With multiple tor hidden relays and a desktop client that does this would work just fine. I imagine it would be insanely frustrating for the feds.
I suspect non-tor public relay operators would be forced to censor those kinds if selling drugs in nostr got popular
What if there is a disclaimer thwt you need to tick i agree before using marketplace. I.e an opt in function
As you see it ser sleepy
Love to hear that.
It’s important to note, there is a big difference between discussing the normal operation of Nostr, handling the bulk of its messages, normie onboarding, etc. and using its most resistant characteristics in the case of state attack, etc.
I believe Will is speaking about the normie layer that is what most people see and use (App Stores, public relays, etc)
I also challenge everyone to donate so I can pay for all the legal work that is going to go into the Marketplace implementation.
View quoted note →That's a good point. It could risk the whole app. Luckily, there will probably be other Apple developers willing to take on the risk for the rest of us.
Zappppped ⚡️
You got this! 🫂🫡
Could the right kind of search and use of hashtags be good enough with existing notes? Like just use #selling and put some other keywords, etc?
I guess you’d want to filter on price and other details, and maybe that’d be harder to do.
Maybe a really good search / filtering system over #nostr would give you everything you want for people to sell things in regular notes?
just don’t sell illegal drugs online
this note is a donation
Fair enough. Probably better to let the smaller Nostr apps take the risk and see what happens to them.
I could imagine it would be possible to filter out illegal listings with some sort of user voting system, similar to community notes on Twitter.
Now that iOS has push notification support for PWAs, I think that’s the future. Relying on Apple’s goodwill is not going to work out for freedom tech.
But your concern isn't valid. With or without marketplace people can still conduct drug trade in dm, same with Instagram or any platform. Your just spreading Fud. Keep your eyes on your project instead of working about other projects. Do you think Samsung makes posts on there social media about how Apple conducts business? No lol.
Uhm, anyone with HALF an IQ will see it is Will trying to create drama and Fud. You don't see Samsung Bitching about Apple. They keep themselves focused on THERE project.
Exactly , weather there is a market place or not it doesn't matter. I seen a user on here the other day saying he bought prerolled weed with Zaps via DM.
Agreed. Hopefully, PWA is the solution that makes the app store obsolete.
Evidence is, my friend trafficked drugs on the silkroad, lost 5,000$ when the site got taken down. He showed me it. There was not one single non-drug related item for sale.
yeah
That's more a concern for ios though right? Or maybe the playstore version of amythyst, cause you can just get the apk, or use fdroid.
Anyone who does want to buy and sell drugs via nostr might want to be very careful though, privacy might not be all they expect.
Wishful thinking. If you truly care about decentralization, you should not be using iOS. Apple's phone OS is the biggest centralizing force in tech right now.
Other Apple products are fine. You can use a MacBook and care about decentralization (you can still side-load apps into MacOS). The iOS is just a very hard no right now.
Saying the Silk Road was only for drugs is like saying bitcoin in those days was only for drugs. Both were just early adopters of Silk Road and bitcoin. It was just the first use case. If Silk Road was still around it could have grown beyond that use case just like bitcoin has.
Yes. NOSTR is decentralized, but you are right. Apple does not allowed side loading and obviously some NOSTR applications are build on centralized platforms. Some more than others.
I agree. Honestly it is a terrible place to buy and sell drugs. You have to share your address and the transaction is written into the ledger forever. People will still be dumb enough to do it though. Or…spooks will do it to get this shit shut down. We gotta keep growing and hardening in the meantime.
If a Nostr marketplace was completely uncensored it is reasonable to believe that the same type of market would emerge first.
Ability to do illegal stuff is a test of resilience to tyranny.
Sorry but your a dolt if you think silk road was intened as a market place for drugs. It was a free and open market and set up as such with the tech available to make it as resilient as possible. The users decided to sell drugs.
They forget so fast, kek
TIL!
Or im the dolt. Lol
That's definitely not true, I bought non-drug related things. But also drugs.
The most sold items on Silk Road was books, not drugs 🙄
I know, but if you want to keep your legal cost down, not selling illegal drugs greatly reduce this possible financial burden if all you want to do is build software
Pics or it didn't happen, I just messaged this to my old plug and he died of laughter.
There was a lot of books which were banned/illegal on some jurisdictions(such as China) and these were the most sold items every I visited the site
*every time
Serious question: Is the app creator legally responsible for the content in it?
I believe it shouldn't work this was, but we all saw what happened with Ross 😔 fucking feds
This is where I feel the Paxful guy is setting up a trap, I don't trust him anymore
View quoted note →The creator is generally not, but the shipper to a market (like a PlayStore or an F-droid release) might be. It just happens to be the same person for Amethyst
Decentralized distribution like obtainium, without relying on trusted third party like github to distribute?
Like, if the apk is on all relays all over the world, it's really not anywhere, no?
In this case, nobody should be reliable of any content, but a wider adoption would be sacrificed.
Based on app store guidelines on this topic, any app that supports NIP-15 will likely need to restrict the sale of things like that in their terms of use in order for it to be approved in the app store.
"Facilitating the sale of controlled substances (except for licensed
pharmacies and licensed or otherwise legal cannabis dispensaries), or
tobacco is not allowed."
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Yes, I'd be blocking sales of illegal stuff in my store. However that would be my choice, not the software's.
