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Wisdom often reveals that we were never as far from truth as we thought. Living by good principles leads us home, even before we realize where “home” is. 🌿✨
Are you and your family members of a church?
Nowadays I live in a Catholic country and I have started to have similar thoughts and feelings. And I'm not Catholic, but something seems to attract me like gravitation.
Yeah I'm really feeling that. More than anything spiritual. Glad my wife and I are in agreement, too.
Thanks for sharing!
Do you believe in magic?
Culture.
HODL
Part of coming back to Christianity for me was realizing that I had been living as a Christian more or less the whole time I was allegedly an agnostic.
Then seeing how those morals/principles had shaped my life for the better and seeing friends without them struggling.
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I think a lot of people were tempted to atheism in their youth because it was the edgy cool thing to do. I can remember back in the early days of 4 Chan that was actually the OG definition of “alt-right.” It was atheist right wing people who didn’t want to be associated with the “cringe” evangelical right. Unfortunately, I think a lot of people are turning back to religion (Christianity) because they think it’s the new cool edgy thing to do. “Nah bro fuck those leftist atheists with their science, we’re gonna be white Christian nationalists because that’s the cool new edgy thing to b. Have you heard of this guy Nick Fuentes?!?” I’ll stick to my atheism.
Pain brought me back to God.
Did you read the new testament. How do you reconcile writings that you don't agree with, with your faith ?
Pretty Cool 🗯️🫡
Amen 🙏
You’re cueing me to finally listen to a book that’s been on my list for a while:
Life is pretty magical so yes.
Yep
Honestly, I grew up with no religion background, always thought it was crazy cuz no one can ever prove the books are real, but I always loved by the same values and principles on my own. Charlie Kirk was the one person I loved listening to talk about Christianity, and the sole person that made me think “hm, maybe it could be true”. Even if not true, the principles are and people who follow them love better lives
Was raised a Christian and would say I follow most Christian values however one curated book is simply not enough evidence for me to believe in a deity.
I’m comfortable with the idea that there is nothing after we die and no bigger purpose to any of this.
Thanks for sharing this
Thanks for sharing part of your faith journey
Christianity is a middle eastern religion and should not be a part of the west
You have kids?
Western Christianity is fake and gay
Glad you’re back! Hope you get to experience the fullness of God through the Catholic Church.
“Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.” - Matthew 7:21
GODL
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Christian apologist use the Bible as evidence for God.
The idea that the Universe is eternal never made sense to me, but to each their own.
#loveIZlogical
I’m a confirmed catholic
🤜🏼🤛🏼
Catholicism is making a comeback in the US. Conversions left and right, which is fitting given it’s a Jubilee year
I grew up catholic and it’s hard for me to see any other church as a real church lol
Orations are the only thing that restore my sanity at time. Keep your faith
I don't like the way defining myself as Christian seperates myself from non Christians. It emphasises the idea of 'The Other', of seperation.
I adhere to the golden rule not because of some doctrine or because I think it will save me. I adhere to it because I believe that we are literally all One, all connected & all part of the same energy. What I do to you, I literally do to myself. What you put out, you get back.
I recognise your autonomy, free will & sovereignty. I do not judge your choice of beliefs. I do find it a little frustrating that you'd surrender your sovereignty at the soul level but understand that it's part of your journey.
I surrender to the divine only through my soul. I trust my higher self completely to guide my action & shape my experiences. I got there primarily through the mantra of 'don't trust, verify' & the idea of accepting absolute responsibility.
Like everything meaningful —- we must all get there on our own.
As soon as some authority tells you “the way” —- even if it is ‘the way’ —- you’re fucked.
Until you discover it for yourself through the experiences of life.
what does this take do when Ottoman invasion 2.0 or resurgence of Aztec sacrifice impulse gestating in dormancy until the money runs out ?
are you then responsible when the terror is eked out on you and your loved ones?
since all is one?
is the #christian one who IS set apart?
Whats going on here?
I grew up as a Jehovah’s Witness. I see no need for that in my life even though most of my family tries to push me in that direction. If you are currently a Bitcoiner you’re inherently a contrarian. Embrace it.
Jesus is the good shepherd, and he always welcomes the lost back to the flock. I’m as imperfect as anyone, but God’s love and Jesus’ example are constants to work towards
I dont think most people are believing in Jesus as their lord and savior because they want to be edgy. That seems pretty unlikely.
Based alert.
Yes
„I choose to believe the Bible because it is a reliable collection of historical documents written by eyewitnesses during the lifetime of other eyewitnesses. They report supernatural events that took place in fulfillment of specific prophecies and they claim that their writings are divine rather than human in origin.“
Voddie Baucham
What denomination?
Lutheran
As @DRE said, each to their own. If that was presented to me as an argument for believing the bible my first response would be, other than the bible what evidence is there that these are eyewitness accounts? I have many more, but that would be the first.
Whenever I’ve got into this with someone in the past it eventually boils down to “you just have to believe” and that has never been enough to convince me.
Both roman history and jewish history corroborate the new testament in various ways. As a historical document, the new testament is way more reliable than what tons of history is based on. I.e. we have to trust 1 or 2 roman or greek historians for major pieces of history. The Bible is much more robust.
When I was going to Sunday school and church I don’t recall any other evidence being presented for believing in God.
But what does it mean to be a Christian? Born again or just morals/principles?
The bible is comprised of 2 parts, no?
Aren’t the 10 commandments, the basis for how Christian’s should live their life in the Old Testament?
all presented as one book with no suggestion that one part should be taken as more factual or more literally than the other.
It seems disingenuous to me to say that only only the New Testament is relevant.
To be fair I take less umbrage with the New Testament than the old but how do you reconcile the shift from a vengeful god in the Old Testament to a loving one in the new?
I've been agnostic for my whole life and I am sure, I have most or even all the same most important life values that believers have. I would never purposely harm anyone, I am always willing to lend a helping hand, I would not steal, at the age of 38 I have been faithful to my significant other for more than 22 years, we are trying the create a family, I never burn bridges, I keep few, but very strong and loving relationships, I run a small hospitality business with 4 employes, I alwayse have their and our customers well being in mind. In summary, I try my hardest to be a real stand up guy. I don't think, I need to believe in God, to be all that, but I do respect anyone that does. Although I do think, that religious people are more likely to think and act the way, that I do.
The only thing I really envy you is your attitude towards death. It is the only thing that really scares me, because I feel my mission is the one here on Earth, whereas Christians feel their mission continues beyond life itself.
Something I need to think about more
Not most, but I think it helps with the branding for people to consider converting back after having been atheist or agnostic.
I guess that’s that
I would also say that you’re by default culturally Christian. Since you’ve grown up and lived your life in a Christian society it’s very hard to untangle your morality from Christian morality.
Amen brother
You come across as a guy who likes South Park. The most recent episode has some interesting commentary on Christianity.
I stopped watching. It hasn’t been funny for awhile. What’s the gist?
Jesus becomes a modern day Christian.
Sounds like some real biting social commentary.
Just my personal experience
There are different books that make up the old testament and new testament. Jewish people accept the old testament. Christians accept the old and the new. The first 4 main books in the new are matthew, mark, luke and john and they are called the gospels. Basically are each a testamentary account of what they saw happen and knew of re Jesus.
The shift is Jesus redeeming us and giving us more personal access to God's grace.
So why did god all of a sudden decide to stop being vengeful and start being forgiving? It’s quite the personality change between the old and New Testament.
Fair, but there are many that nonetheless do manage to untangle...
I’m not so sure
God is just. Do you have kids? You tell them dont hit your sibling in the face, they turn around and do exactly that. Would you discipline them?
A christian would speak on Gaza.
You are an americanised christian - shallow understanding.
So you’re telling me you think god is described and acts the same in both testaments?
The Old Testament has the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah and the plagues of Egypt but the New Testament has nothing similar.
To compare to your analogy, it’s not about whether the kid is disciplined or not and more that at a point the style of that discipline changes significantly. If god was omnipotent as we are told he is wouldn’t he know the best way to keep us on track right from the start? And if he is loving as we are told wouldn’t he have intervened earlier to avoid having to be vengeful?
“But he gave us free will.” well in that case, and considering he’s omnipotent, why only give information to a small group of people and punish the rest when you don’t like what they are doing. Wouldn’t it make more sense from a loving point of view to let everyone know and keep reminding them what is expected?
Look, I have no issue with people believing whatever they want. I believe that in general religion provides a good framework for how to live your life. I just don’t believe that a god as described in any of the religions texts exists.
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The New Testament has nothing similar? The wrath of God has never ceased. Once we are dead we all have to stand before judgment. It matters what you do with Jesus in this life though, if you will stand or fall at judgement.
Judgement after death is not comparable to actively killing people. Are there any examples of god actively killing a person or people that he wasn’t happy with in the New Testament?
Why the switch from taking direct action in the Old Testament to judging them after they die in the new?
It is comparable on an eternal time scale.
Ok, let’s assume I accept that argument. Still, why the switch?
God brought judgment on wicked people and nations, through different means (super natural, other humans etc) and established new covenants.
Different covenants different times.
The last covenant was established through the work of Jesus. Since that change God lives within the believers.
This is His last call to us to repent.
