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Humans hate change. And I don’t see that changing anytime soon.
More “energy” energy, less “being a retard” energy.
Could it be they just don't like AI?
Maybe it’s do the means justify the ends. For Bitcoin obviously yes. But with AI I’m open to the possibility that we are slowly enslaving ourselves.
Another thing - heard a story how a Pennsylvania mom and pop bakery closed because utility bill outpaced rent by 3x due to nearby data center. Everyone hated that. It dawned on me that maybe a mom and pop bakery is more profound than AI.
The people there didn't think so, or they would have covered the increased utility prices with higher bread prices.
You can just stop taking crazy pills. I've done it and it works. No withdrawal either.
We have to own the AI. Then we profit off of it, rather than being enslaved by it.
ur exactly right. We need compute to advance as a civilization. The only improvement I would like to see is the location choices, my favorite thing ever is a Bitcoin mine, but I dont want one in my bedroom.
The people building them are seeking discounted land at the expense of people who dont have a choice
Fiat printer owns AI. Out of our control imho.
Tax money dude, they are using tax money to build these things and also draining water resources that people actually need.
When's the last time the government funded a Bitcoin mining operation?
And how much water does a Bitcoin mine need?
Also the centralization factor, instead of promoting decentralization, there are a myriad ways to look at this other than Bitcoin mine equals data center. (also on a technical note, the miners are actually not carrying any data. It is a single node that they connect to that actually holds the blockchain.)
Lose lose situation.
No, I own it. Well, some of it.
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Cognitive dissonance
I’m middle of the road on this.
Bitcoin mines are high energy demand computation centers. They don’t store data.
“Data centers” as accurately described are heavy computation AND store your data bringing us one step closer to the digital dystopian panopticon. I’m not even anti-AI, but bitcoin mines and data centers are not the same.
True. It’s mostly people who are easily influenced by propaganda.
Based comment.
Yeah, just let central banks hold the gold and give the people certificates. What could possibly go wrong?
Crazy idea but you can be pro mining BTC and against the ai surveillance digital panopticon infrastructure at the same time.
When bitcoin first started you could buy some CRAZY pills with it through the mail.
View quoted note →Conflating the two is disingenuous. Bitcoin mining operations are not storing and processing individuals private information, it's large-scale consensus.
AI datacenters will be centralised control over the infrastructure used to manage society into compliance with whatever they choose.
I guess it ultimately depends on what people believe the datacenters will be used for, and at what expense.
Bitcoin mines can’t be conflated with HPC/AI data centers. Load profiles are entirely different and inflexible HPC workload is not the grid benefit that flexible btc mining is, MW to MW.
Some people are anti everything but then they are the ones who want solutions fast and easy.
Bitcoin mines could in theory be built on a landfill & be a win/win/win for the miner, the landfill owner, and the atmosphere (the regulators lose revenue though).
AI mines aren't as flexible (nor do they give any fucks about the issue), so they all get built near interstate exits. 🤷♂️
You must not be aware of how many data centers are Govt Surveillance centers. It's not a small number at all.
I'm certainly not against data hosting, AI, & bitcoin mining, but when you can't tell what exactly the center does, assume it's uncle sam watching your every move.
More Bitcoin mines.
Less data centers.
Is that too much to ask for?
I'm not anti data center but I see the balance.
Should we be forced to focus on nothing but 4 companies automating away millions of jobs and just accept that we're gonna pretty much live in Blade Runner and our friend and family are not gonna have a way to make money?
The only data centers I'm against are the ones that these companies put into small communities. I am a firm believer that they should be required to use dedicated industrial land a decent distance away from any sort of small town community or designated green spaces.
We can have technology AND still preserve our nature and small towns.
The difference is in the goal they are created with. One powers freedom money, the other a dystopian control grid.
Some of them are part of Mr. Jiang fanbase?
WTF? How can you compare Bitcoin mining with data centers for a totalitarian state? Are you even aware of what's happening in your country?
Bitcoin mining and the data centers used by a totalitarian surveillance state are the opposite in purpose, function, and intent.
You are just ignoring the implications of how data centers are used, reducing the complex fight for human freedom and privacy down to a simple argument about "buildings with computers."
WTF? WHY?
View quoted note →but you can't do anything else with Antminers correct ?
Anti-DC? Is this a thing?!
Because the cost of those data centers are being socialized and the profits are privatized, you dumb fuck.
The taxes argument is good the environmental argument is bad
Also, some objectives of those data centers is to provide the compute for the oppressive surveillance state that will include AI analysis of flock cameras everywhere and also the CBDC and new digital financial infrastructure that will track all assets owned by everyone; just to name a few.
The point is Bitcoiners are legitimately pissed that this shit is happening. And no, it’s not a “retarded position to take.” Everyone should be pushing back against this, but most people are oblivious. At least, we should be pushing back by making sure the data center companies/owners are covering the full cost of building and operating them; and not the general population.
