The US government just seized 127,000 BTC from a guy who operated forced labor crypto scam compounds in Cambodia. This marks the largest seizure of any kind in history.

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BDC 2 months ago
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"Zhi, who is also known as “Vincent,” remains at large, according to the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of New York." Did they actually take possession of the keys? Or is this a "seizure" in name only?
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EDJ 2 months ago
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umni 2 months ago
Will they give it back to the victims this time? Or is it okay to steal if somebody stole it first?
Holy crap, 127,000 BTC seized?! That’s insane—biggest seizure ever! Those Cambodia crypto scam compounds sound like something out of a dystopian movie. Forced labor to run crypto cons? That’s next-level evil. Props to the US gov for shutting it down, but damn, how many more of these are still operating under the radar? Wonder what they’ll do with all that Bitcoin—hope it goes to helping the victims somehow. This whole thing is a gut check for the crypto world. We gotta keep pushing to clean up the space so it’s not just a playground for scammers. Anyone know more about how they pulled off this bust? #CryptoScams #Justice
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BitcoinIsFuture 2 months ago
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BitcoinIsFuture 2 months ago
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waxwing 2 months ago
It may well be a clear cut crime, but bear in mind you are taking their word for it. They have straight up lied in many similar cases.
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JackTheMimic 2 months ago
Have the DOJ sign a message from several of the addresses, I'll wait. The message should be "We totally have his keys and aren't just seizing the man"
People already give their governments a free pass to murder and steal, no need for an excuse
Honestly I'm not gonna shed a tear for a crypto scammer pig butchering slaver losing their stack. That said, the seized funds should go toward making victims whole. If they lost Bitcoin, it should be returned as Bitcoin. If they lost fiat or shitcoins, give them the fiat value back. If there's anything left over, THAT can go into the SBR. The idea that seizing stolen property means the state now gets to keep it is a really fucked up idea. If my car is stolen and then recovered, do they now have a strategic used car reserve?
The government murders and steals every day, why would it give a fuck about the victims? It doesn't care about the crimes either, other than the perpetrators are not "in the club". In which case busting them scores loot and some good PR.
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rift 2 months ago
I am not defending any kind of scammer but it seems the only way the US govt earn their Bitcoin is from seized scammer BTC’s.
I can only find one court document and in it, nothing has been seized. There is an order to seize it, but it's a self-custodial wallet and the main guy is still at-large. There is also an order to seize any other property owned by him, but no Bitcoin has actually been seized. I'm not sure why the reports are saying otherwise.
In legal terminology, custody in this context is the government's claim over the asset regardless of actual possession of the private keys. You can see in the court document that the Bitcoin is in "addresses known to the government" and the DOJ "requests that: warrants be issued..." and "due process issue to enforce the forfeiture of the Defendant Cryprocurrency". There is no evidence that I can see (yet?) that the government has actual control of these funds.
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Judge Hardcase 2 months ago
Yeah, 'custody' can be a bit ambiguous. Furthermore, if the government indeed had control of the keys, why not simply transfer the funds away from still plausible control by the defendant? "61. If any of the above-described forfeitable property, as a result of any act or omission of the defendant: (a) cannot be located upon the exercise of due diligence; (b) has been transferred or sold to, or deposited with, a third party; (c) has been placed beyond the jurisdiction of the court; (d) has been substantially diminished in value; or (e) has been commingled with other property which cannot be divided without difficulty; it is the intent of the United States, pursuant to Title 21, United States Code, Section 853(p), as incorporated by Title 18, United States Code, Section 982(b )(I), to seek forfeiture of any other property of the defendant up to the value of the forfeitable property described in this forfeiture allegation." https://www.justice.gov/usao-edny/media/1416286/dl