“Probably” wtf

These are quantum dollars, they just collapsed when you tried using them!

With onchain zaps they can prove, the million dollar 😁

So Jack and HRF haven’t given you close to 700k to work on this app? Seems plausible, even though Jack is passionate about those and has deep pockets 😅

yeah total would definitely get up there, but i’ve been paying people who get rejected from opensats. Half or more of it i am paying to contributors and employees. I have mostly lost money on this

I know this because i have less bitcoin when i started

“Received” not “made”

@ODELL 's statement is then reasonably correct. You RECEIVED close to 1M and you were able to spend it where you wanted. Right? Or am I missing some hidden something?

OpenSats pays grants in dollars? 🤣

more like 700k total over 4 years. so 175k a year where i had to share with opensats rejects. So maybe 80-100k per year for me.

You had to share it with opensats rejects? I'm not familiar with that situation - why, was that a part of the donation deal or something?

Add in the significant volume of zaps received in three and a half years to supplement the grants. Consider the appreciation of any sats not immediately liquidated from 2023 to 2026. In total it's reasonable to say it's probably just shy of a million dollars.

They refused to fund projects. I originally asked for like 700k in my first grant application lol. They said they only funded individuals. So we always had to get our contributions to apply. Some got small grants, many got none. I used a lot of my grant money to pay contributions who couldn’t get grants, as well as an employee.

So to me that sounds like you were free to deploy the money where you believed it was effective - e.g. here to smooth out donation structure for your contributors. And so the outcomes are on you as the project leader if there was truly no one else to dictate where you deploy money you receive. I'm not saying it's not hard to make a working project.

not sure what you mean. odell keeps saying that i personally benefited from these grants as a gotcha, but he has no idea that i put most of it back into all the really good people they refused to fund. It’s his only “gotcha” to try to distract people from all of his conflict of interests

What's your current take on what I may start calling 'the altruistic pitch' that @jack has mentioned many times about how we shouldn't form large companies and loose control of them to investors (like twitter did)? I am concerned for Damus (and therefor the rest of nostr) in this position as you had mentioned VC and we can see what things like primal become.. I do not think it is purposefully done, just that choices will be made differently and ultimately go down the same path as twitter. Interop is sacrificed as low priority and easy quick money to save the company becomes one bad choice after another. Essentially, company takes on lots of debt. Company must at all cost implement their way out of it and sell off their data, make partnerships with others in the same boat leading to the same playbook over and over. Grants were suppposed to be an experiment to fix this, but even that does not seem to be working. It does seem like angel investment, would have been a much better option, but you need some kind of business plan for revenue and nostr clients have not shown that. Are we cooked? I hope you don't go the VC route.. Angle investment from the right person is the only thing I can think of that won't conflict with nostrs supposed ideals. Or grinding it out and just existing as opensource for future generations to discover and use in an archeology dig (somewhat is my 'plan'). I do think that nostr+VC will always lead directly in a circle back to the twitter story, and it is sad to see this keep happening anyway. So I am hoping it doesn't with damus corporation or that will definately be writing on the wall for me personally.. That I am just an unpaid roadmap for VC, helping create the things I most despise.

😂😂😂

Im leaning toward VC because at least they would have my back, and not some antagonistic grant org whos board is trying to pick winners against me

Do you have a plan and what $$ do you think it would take to get it there?

no that would take a lot of planning, i’m still deciding what to do. I will put one together if i do go with VC. luckily a lot of the core tech is built out and its super solid. Just need to refine it and market it

Something I like to ask all VC backed products - When do you expect it to be profitable? Would you be able to give a timeline?

yeah i think i want to test our agentium product (agentium nostr agent coding dashboard) first to get a better idea if this is at least interesting and is something someone would like to buy. I personally use it to build all of our stuff remotely and privately… so maybe theres a chance there. I think we have a unique angle on privacy/self sovereign hosted ai dashboard

So the quoted statement from ODELL is reasonably correct (references Damus, says "received"), but your issue is that this correct statement masks his conflicts of interest. Your reaction to that is to mock the correct statement that damus received close to a million, rephrase it about you and repost that to your followers. So what I mean specifically here is that I'm just surprised you make such emotional reactions and comms mistakes that are not anchored in actual problems. ODELL may be very shitty and in conflict of interest, etc, but your statements here have not shown that.

Also, grants are grants. Don't take grants for granted.

so would an angel investor.. but with more hands off board, less spending available but more focus and drive in the right directions.. VC does have the upperhand in all arenas, but this is a chance to change that (or was)..

Lets say I had the money to buy all of damus IP from you right now. What am I buying?

We have the best nostr tech stack / browser for building nostr apps natively. A non-web nostr browser with built in wallet and relay and is cross platform. It currently powers a suite of new applications that all work offline together: - columns app for social - dave nostr agent and agentic coding dashboard - notebook obsidian-like note taking app with json canvases - DM app all native apps requiring no complicated browser plugins. User account switching is built into the browser so you don’t need to implement all that complexity or local relay for each app like nostr web sppd. The notedeck browser handles that all for you. Using this we are building a “nostr productivity suite” that is self sovereign: issue tracking, git, communities all up next. Think like a cryptographic, self sovereign browser, decentralized, offline-first built on the nostr protocol instead of the web. Damus ios is alright but it is less promising for potential profit opportunities

Damus app still release google play store why ?

they are refusing to verify our account again. Its beyond frustrating

Thank you! > Using this we are building a “nostr productivity suite” that is self sovereign: issue tracking, git, communities all up next. This interests me. If damus was focused, slop free (maintainable), kept AI as a tool and not as a primary feature that is what @GitCitadel is interested in but would have no ability to purchase. I personally might be interested when complete. > Think like a cryptographic, self sovereign browser, decentralized, offline-first built on the nostr protocol instead of the web. I have a bias against an all consuming application. Deployment targets just aren't ready for this IMO. Mini apps just aren't going to get used. Desktop first and commercial grade this could change, but corporations are also adverse to all-consuming applications with scattered dependencies too. Lock in becomes too expensive no matter how "open" the ecosystem is.

the apps are all separate crates, there is clear api separation like a browser. We can ship agentium standalone for example. The core of the browser is just a library that the apps can use (optionally at the same time )

As a user premium user of both (Damus Purple and Primal Legend) This flame war is hard to read. I was hoping iron would sharpen iron and the protocol would win in the long run. In my opinion Damus works great. Runs very smoothly with no bugs but finding content is terrible. This is why I gave primal a spin after they added a bunch of new discovery features. Primal looks great but it still suffers from basic operational bugs like unlimited repeating notes on most of their content filters. For example trying to use one per follow is absolute dog shit on primal. Then they added Spark and explain away the tradeoffs. I’m not familiar with the censorship claims that ignited this war of word but in the end hopefully the plot isn’t lost as to why we are all here in the first place.

This not good sign