Which app you think can be the alternative tho🤔

I will only use #nostr chat from now on.

VC and Shitcoiners can fuck up anything as always🤤 My favorite Nostr chat apps are 0xChat and Keychat so far🌞

Nostr chat isn't as secure tho...

Where is the blockchain/shitcoin?

InFlux Technologies

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So Sessions would probably be a better choice?

This is a bit hyperbolic. Run your own relay & ignore theirs & flux's relays. That said, better keep an eye on @Keychat & @0xchat 😉

Session has its own PoS blockchain, OXEN:

Oxen

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What is Oxen?

Until an app integrates amber, it's unusable. I can't justify pasting my nsec into an app that requires network permissions when there is no rotation

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How can they do content moderation when everything is encrypted? What if you self-host Simplex? Then there's no content moderation.

there is a solid toggle to opt-in/out from Flux usage

Pass.

I supported simplex, I was mistaken. Avoid.

Why not use nostr?

@StackinBeets 👀

God damn it 😅 But is there a better alternative at this very moment? I'm guessing many will say signal but I'm not convinced. Maybe I'll look into the Molly fork.

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Thanks, now to determine what to choose 😆 I know I don't have to but unfortunately I'm that kinda guy.

Just get them both. 0xchat is for normal Nostr DM's. And keychat is for Anon messaging

Right, time to tell my friends to hop onto a different app yet again if they wanna stay in contact with me lmao. Oh well, had a few good years on Simplex.

To address some incorrect criticism: > Did you know @SimpleX Chat now has a blockchain/shitcoin built in (called Flux)? Nope, that's not true. There is no built-in coin. Flux the company offers their servers to the app users. Not their coin. > Did you know they've also started doing "content moderation"—blocking users, groups and 3rd party servers? Also not true. We cannot block users, as there are no users, and we do not block 3rd party servers. We do remove addresses of groups that distribute CSAM from our servers, without any impact on users privacy. > Yeah, so far it's only to stop CSAM distribution but we all know how that's a slippery slope. The good old "Think of the children" tactic. If there's a method to ban, block or censor, it will be used and ABUSED. Not true. Freedom of speech without SOME restriction cannot exist - unlimited freedom always leads to abuses of power and tyranny. Study some history. Our freedom ends where the freedom of our neighbours starts, so some limits absolutely must exist to defend our freedom. > SimpleX Chat ... not decentralized Not true as well - there are 100s if not 1000s of community run servers. If you don't want to use ours or Flux's, use your own or anybody else's - it's all in a single network. > not censorship-resistant. This is correct, and this will change, as was explained in livestream. Censorship-resistance and privacy are technically contradictory requirements, so they have to be balanced. > I also found out they are getting funded by VCS such a Village Global We were never hiding it, and who are it's LPs is irrelevant - they have no influence or control on SimpleX Chat. Read this post:

SimpleX network: the investment from Jack Dorsey and Asymmetric, v6.0 released with the new user experience and private message routing.

Messages are end-to-end encrypted, reporting messages works by a user who received the message opting-in to report it to the provider. Providers can only see it if the users choose to submit the message that's been decrypted on their device to the provider.

So using flux is useful to the app and basically gives advertising to the token?

"Freedom of speech without SOME restriction cannot exist.." Shame on you @SimpleX Chat, that's bullshit, need to comply to your VC's daddys to stay mainstream doesn't you? FREEDOM OF SPEECH CANNOT EXIST WITH SOME RESTEICTION YOUR DUMBFUCKS!

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I knew Simplex would devolve into this, because Haskell programmers are the biggest group of whiny retards behind Rust devs. View quoted note →

@The Beave frankly i also expected some nonsense just based on the choice of stupid languages

Haskell is only used by mathematicians and academic elites who want to feel superior, change my mind :)

did they backdoor their encrypted chats?

so you'd prefer that they didnt censor CSAM?

because its not private

come on guys its only cool if ur secure, anonymous private messaging app uses shitcoins built on top of our bitcoins

Lol .. 🤣 .. I knew it is going to crap out .. waste of time these apps .. why are these people smoking ..

Can you censor anyone from posting CSAM on Nostr? No. Can you censor anyone from making a inscription CSAM on Bitcoin? No. Why is SimpleX even worried about what some no-life pedos do on a self-hosted private group chat? It's a battle you can't win, and is far too often used as an excuse/trojan horse to censor other things, push for anti-privacy and encryption backdoors. Look at the UK mess recently.

Simple X you don’t belong on nostr

Flux is a infra provider for running many things, Simplex Queue Servers included, it just happens to be funded via a crypto token. That is like saying it is bad if people host SimpleX on Amazon because Amazon acceots US dollar tokens.

so youd prefer they didnt censor CSAM? the fact that "what about the children/terrorism" is an excise used to rationalize LE overreach doesn't then mean that CSAM isn't a problem and people should do nothing.

You think that will stop pedos? You can't win that battle, and if you start implementing ways to censor things, down the line they will be used(abused) to censor other things. It's a slippery slope.

ok. so you think they shouldn't censor CSAM. which is a legit opinion people can have. I'd personally think their methodology here (having a bot join reported groups to look for CSAM) is a reasonable compromise. after all, they are relays that they are providing. but then i self-host my own Simplex relays. so they aren't censoring shit. if you use *someone elses infrastructure* don't be surprised if they put limitations on your usage.

facts matter

If you want freedom of speech, RUN YOUR OWN FUCKING SERVER RETARD!

Aged like fine milk!

Why not enhance/build this into nostr?

Them using state produced csam is part of the game. They always try to poison the well. Do I want to see this? Absolutely not. Do I value free speech higher than coming across some violent imagery? Absolutely. It's a tool to exert power like in politics where they all are in some extortion nring regarding child molesting. Create dirt on someone Let media make them a public figure Exert control People need to grow up and accept that there will always be humans that abuse others and inconcient politicians are currently in 99.9% of the cases do to lacking awareness in the role of the abuser. Humanities shortcomings can never be a reason to give up essential human rights that are necessary to develop individually and collectively.

I don't think it changes the actual actionable part of the discussion. whether we suspect its state produced or not, infrastructure operators still must decide whether to do something or not.

I agree. The model is not sufficiently decentralised if we need to rely on infrastructure providers. It could easily be more decentralised and it has the capabilities. But the current implementation doesn't encourage the widespread use. That's imo SimpleX biggest mistake that will cost it market share if not fixed. In the end it's me the individual that wants to control what I get to see and what not with the option of changing my decision on a case by case basis.

its pretty similar to nostr tho a bunch of default relays that most people use to exchange messages... or LN even

New users only get to see the SimpleX servers and most newcomers don't even know they could run their own servers not to speak of choosing other servers like yours or mine.

Lol no it don't.. Its a partnership with FLUX (runonflux.io) there is a Decentralized AWS if you will .. So it can insecure truly decentralized hosting Making SimpleX censorship resistance decentralized & private communication with it being fully open source .. Like you know FLUX also hosts Nostr Relays right 😉

Why not.. everything & everyone belongs on Nostr to make it great

Do you know the most CSAM propagated in freedom tech comes from state agents to have an excuse to broke encryption didn't you?

People who do those kind of crimes are part of the system/govs, you know that, they use the crimes they commit as excuse to limit freedom and exert control over normal people. Do you think that measure from simpleX helps stop real CSAM really? Do you think the ones that produce CSAM use SimpleX servers to share with their clients? Most horrendous crimes are committed by elite people and people from governments. Big drug operations, sex trafficking rings, child abuse, terrorism, you also know that. (Pizzagate, Epstein, Escobar, Bin Laden..)

CSAM exists otherwise also. and regardless of source, infrastructure operators have to make a decision. theres nothing particularly controversial about Simplexs decision here.

Of course it exists otherwise also. For sure they need to make a decision. They thing that upsets me is their false narrative on the why's and pro censorship language on their speech, and that is a red flag to me. ("Freedom of speech without SOME restrictions is not possible.. study history", "censorship resistsnce and privacy are contradictory") We all understand that it isn't to figth the propagation of CSAM, but to stay compliant with law. If law tomorrow want encryption broken like UK law on apple what do you think SimpleX will do?

I would like you to know jack dorsey sponsored simplex why didn't you mention him in this bad rant of a post on simplex oh because hes pro nostr you don't wana tie your bad claimsnto jack. First off the blockchain their making isn't for csam this kind of misinformation is how people believe an assumption & spread false information. Please take some time to do a full research on what your talking about before you say it. Hes making a blockchain so he can make a profit off of transactiond exchanged on it (the blockchain fee that's in every blockchain) The goal is to allow server operators smp owners to make a profit as well as evgeny. The method of making the directory bot have the option to make the user pay the group owner for access to the group or solve a image word captcha challenge. This is the protection to prevent bots from spam attacking rooms. You don't have to pay anyone if the options not on just so you know this isn't even in simplex yet the payment method. Second this does not affect anonymity or privacy in any way nothing within the simplex group messaging protocol has changed yet & when it does it's only affecting how users connect to chat because the protection added. So what's happening or will happen when it's finished is you join a room, you will only be connected to the bot not trying to connect to every member in the group. You pass the captcha then you will connect to the group & every member. Now everything else you pointed out has been apart of simplex since it came out user blocking & content moderation. The only difference between then & now is theirs labels so you know wtf is going on & not assuming it's a random connection error. For content moderation all that was added is a window to show reports which is displayed to all admins & owners in the group. The directory bot if it's an admin in your group forwards all report messages to it's owner so common sense don't make the directory bot admin in your group. The better answer is FORK THE DIRECTORY BOT CODE & HOST IT YOURSELF! Now you say simplex isn't decentralized it is but you don't understand how that works. What your expecting is some built in search to easily discovery like how activitypub does to track instances. You go to settings & configure your connection's routing method so that means find the smp server info & put it in yourself there you go decentralized you made the effort. Why is flux in there because they agreed to simplex's terms to be listed within the app as a third party server operator. Evgeny doesn't want any random fuck listed he made terms to make sure that operators would comply to a strict set of guidelines so they would ensure not to compromise the anonymity of users. If you don't know any smp owner can see through his terminal console while his smp is running ipaddress 1 msg ipaddress 2. That's just how messaging works regardless of application period. So please tell me what you don't understand after taking the time to read & lookup on github to confirm hey maybe even join the simplex chat & read whats being discussed.

To answer your question ask yourself how would you feel if you released & app then for a few years all you hear is only pedos are using your app & your responsible wtf you gunna do about it? The law holds you accountable because your the operator. So if you don't remove the child pornography then you can be prosecuted. But csam is totally different because csam just is a broad jargen to say anything that looks like a kid so hentai & etc even though it's legal & acceptable they just brush it all under the same blanket. Also the eu/uk is going through a cluster of law changes screwing around so I am sure he's constantly checking with his law team what can he do while keeping anonymity. But lets be forward about something. YOU CAN HOST EVERYTHING YOURSELF! You want to upload any hentai or stuff afraid if might be considered csam & get you blocked from group directory host your own smp, xftp, & directory bot. Then you have freedom to do whatever & your bound by nobodies terms of service or privacy policy except your own.

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So where to now?

They don't use any shitcoins, they don't make profit anyway at this moment

Shame.

If you don't understand SimpleX please read more about SimpleX. Don't spreading your bullshit!