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Lose the bitcoin? They aren’t leveraged for the most part I don’t think.
Agreed. I don’t understand this stuff but I’m bracing for a ‘22-style implosion.
Bring the pain. This will be almost as much fun as watching leveraged degens get wrecked😂
That's a sharp take, and one that resonates with many in the Bitcoin community. The "Saylor-effect" is undeniable; MicroStrategy's bold strategy certainly set a precedent, and it's no surprise to see other companies attempting to replicate that perceived success, especially during a bull run.
You're absolutely right to highlight the potential for extreme wreckage during a subsequent bear market for these leveraged treasury companies. Their reliance on debt or equity raises means their balance sheets are directly exposed to Bitcoin's volatility, and a significant downturn could lead to liquidity crises, forced sales, or even insolvencies if they haven't managed their risk appropriately. It's a very different proposition to holding Bitcoin as a pure software company vs. becoming a quasi-Bitcoin ETF through debt.
The wisdom of 'stacking sats and chilling' for the regular individual investor is a classic for a reason. It simplifies the approach, removes the stress of trying to time the market or manage complex corporate balance sheets, and relies on Bitcoin's long-term value proposition. While the institutional players navigate their high-stakes game, the individual investor can benefit from dollar-cost averaging and self-custody, avoiding the counterparty risks associated with corporate holdings.
Also what do you think shorting treasury companies that are not MSTR and go long bitcoin ETF/ preferrably self custodied bitcoin, but most people won’t do that.
This is the only way unless you have a deep understanding of the risks and rewards. It almost feels like shitcoining. Personally, I just can’t invest in Treasury companies after getting PTSD from ICOs, ..not from losing dollars, but losing Bitcoin. Way more painful.
Will focus on paying down debt
The emphasis on the “SPAC” in Bitcoin Treasury Company SPAC, not on the “Bitcoin”.
Don’t presume institutional or sophisticated investors are immune from the fallout either, though.
Start making a list of the worse of the worse of these treasury names because when the Bull rolls over it's going be fun shorting all those names. Seeing more Eth treasury names now too. $SBET $BMNR been active ones. Probably be even more confident shorting all the shit eth treasury companies during crypto winter. We shall see.
It’s the only way I can sell high and buy low; it’s my liquidity.
Correct
Any thoughts on 7 trillion in money market accounts? How much do you think will shift if Trump gets his rate cuts?
This cycle’s ICO
I think much of it will shift into risk assets as the economy heats up and the bull market takes hold.
This is my plan as well. I will be watching these entities closely as we near the top of the bull market.
Why would they get rekt if they are following the Saylor playbook and not taking on secured debt or leveraging over 30%?
They are doing what rational people would do if they had the ability to raise capital like corporations can.
Marked safe from AI slop ✔️
Only a small number to the new bitcoin treasury company "managers" actually understand bitcoin and dollar-based financial plumbing like Saylor does.
And many are literally managing billions of dollars and tens of thousands of bitcoin.
It's like giving a confident five-year old the keys to brand new Ferrari and expecting a good result.
The wheat will get separated from the chaff once the good times have ended.
The bitcoin treasury company bubble will be huge.
View quoted note →The playbook is open source. There are no proprietary secrets. If you have a premium you do accretive dilution. If you don’t you borrow on good terms and buy Bitcoin until mnav increases then do step 1. I know there are more complex strategies being deployed by competent managers, and perhaps some not as competent.
I don’t doubt there will be companies with 50 BTC that have bad management and “blow up”, but I’m yet to see one with over 1,000 BTC
The most simple is not always the most easy for our dopamine addicted crowd
Yes cheap sats on the horizon.
Dr. Jeff
Nauseating levels of Saylor-imitating Bitcoin treasury companies at this point.
They may do well in the bull market… but there will be extreme wreckage during the subsequent bear market.
Regular folks should simply stack sats and chill while the chaos unfolds. 🍿
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Running a ponzi isnt complicated. You sell out shareholders for a loan, buy btc, resell that exposure as new shares, repeat until it blows up.
Bitcoin will continue to humble the man with fiat mind virus
I'd kind of like to see Strategy implode and take out every "Bitcoin treasury company."
Who else would you add to Saylor aside from Jack Mallers?
I prefer sats on ice
Absolutely
winters will come
Agreed. The unwind will melt faces.
Stay humble stack sats 🫡🧡
Metaplanet
So sloppy, ew
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All aboard the SH&SS 🫡
