OK, past few days were quite wild. I am currenly in El Salvador because I was attending the Adopting Bitcoin conference. My very limited internet connection here made it quite difficult to engage, I mostly just got push notifications. Hereby I want to take the opportunity to tell the story from my side.
TL;DR: We were just having fun, we thought it was okay. Apperently it's not and nvk is is so upset that he felt he had to file a GitHub takedown request. I feel that's not how bitcoiners behave.
### How it started
I have been working on the #BTClock since April '23. It started of some sort of bet where I challenged myself to make a BTC ticker as cheap as possible. I just ordered seven eInk displays on AliExpress with the intention of showing information related to bitcoin using an ESP32.
Why seven? Because the words BITCOIN and SATOSHI both consist of seven letters and connecting more screens to the ESP32 did not seem possible without adding I/O-port expanders.
Yes. The idea was inspired (among other projects) by Blockclock, which also uses eInk displays. I don't own one, so I couldn't "reverse engineer" or use any direct inspiration of it but the way you can combine multiple eInk displays to display information in an useful way is very limited.
After getting the schematic right. I created a 3D printable case for it (
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6009628) and named it BTClock after someone's idea in the Dutch Noderunners community. Since it consists of seven characters I thought it's the perfect name since it fits the seven displays too.
View quoted note →
### May 2023
This allows you to create a BTClock for ±70 euro (if you own a 3D printer).
I shared the progress of the project in the MakerBits telegram group. Ben Arc checked with nvk how he felt about it, and I have seen his responsse where he replied with that he felt honored and that I should go ahead. In hindsight, I should've asked Ben to forward this to me but I wouldn't expect this to "haunt" me like it did last week.
After sharing the very spaghetti-y schematic in some Telegram groups, someone replied that he was working on making an actual PCB out of it. After some DM'ing back and forth we got our first PCB prototype that needed some work. After 4 iterations we finally got it how we wanted and were able to sell DIY kits. The PCB is real artwork, so we wanted to show it off. Therefore we added a acrylic backplate to be able to protect it while still able to see the proof-of-work by Madbo, the PCB artwork designer. We used a lot of through hole components to make it accesible for anyone who has a soldering iron.
### August 2023
In August 2023 we finally got the kits ready, while the initial plan was to only sell the DIY kit within the Dutch Noderunners community, I brought smoe with me to Baltic Honeybadger '23 as well, where it proved to be pretty succesful while sitting next to Ben in the chilling lounge.
I got a lot of encouraging and positive remarks about the project, including Daniel Prince (@princeysov) who tweeted about this (
https://x.com/Princey21M/status/1698257536418267624).
It appeared that this tweet firstly poked the lion, since nvk sent some of his coinkite employees to me after this tweet, a group of 4 people asked a lot of questions while filming me (without my consent, I didn't realize this when they were asking it but when they walked away it was clear to see the iPhone was recording video).
Not a lot later, nvk sent out a tweet which was clearly about the BTClock project without explicitly mentioning the name (
https://x.com/nvk/status/1698423362819682400)
However, in my opinion this did still fit the message I read he wrote to Ben that he was more flattered than upset. It was only then when I learned about how he reacted to Foundation Passport and how he behaves regarding the SeedSigner project.

### March 2024
During Bitcoin Atlantis in March 2024, there was a nice space for the MakerBits projects including the BTClock, the software by this time has many improvements, including real-time new block notifications by utilizing the Mempool.space Websocket API. Since the hardware is also open source, many alternative faceplates are available including a stainless steel one and a completely white one. Multiple people witnessed nvk walking passed the maker space while looking at me, but he did not engage or whatsoever. I would expect if he would take offense by the product, he would've approached me by now but he didn't. He does know who I am though, both in real-life and I'm posting enough on my social media accounts (Nostr and Xitter) to find me there as well.
### Fast forward to November 2024
A lot has happened in the development of the BTClock, among other things I added a BitAxe integration and Nostr Zap Notifications to the software and we managed to add frontlight to the eInk displays which I really think sets the BTClock apart from other "tickers" like the Blockclock mini.
The Blockclock mini hasn't had any updates for two years (since October 3rd, 2022) which seems to be like the Blockclick mini can be considered end-of-life.
I therefore was very suprised that when I woke up on November 14th, I received an e-mail that the BTClock GitHub organization was flagged because of alleged trademark infringement of the BTClock.
This was according to a report by Coinkite to GitHub. The letter I shared in the MakerBits Telegram group was ONLY sent to GitHub, not to me (although I haven't been home for a while so I don't know something is waiting in my physical mailbox).
Luckily git is decentralized version control and there are already mirrors of the hardware and software source available. Also GitHub allows me to appeal but haven't taken the chance to do so.
Although I do understand that the concept of trademarks exists for a reason, I feel this a very cowardly move and certainly not something that I would expect from fellow bitcoiners. Just sending me a DM on Nostr, X or Telegram is the least I would expect. I don't mean to offend or infringe, and would be happy to discuss options if open to it. Either in DM or out in the open.
I'm all about transparency so
@DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞 here is my invitation to discuss this out in the open. I'm sorry that we seem to upset you. what is it that bothers you, can we find a way to let the projects co-exist? Or even see if the BTClock software can adapted to your Blockclock mini hardware.
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I stand with you
@Djuri 🫶🏼🫶🏼🫶🏼💪🏼💪🏼💪🏼
Your project is indeed unique and welcome. An open source project is not free to produce, develop, lead, work with contributors, etc. and I honestly don't see how the two products compare other than in looks.
You put in work and you should be rewarded. I hope that NVK has only a specific issue (maybe the name) and that this can be addressed sensibly.
FINO
Coinkite sure appears to be
Foss In Name Only
NVK blind spot
He doesn't know his customers are loyal to #Bitcoin's Open Source Ethos, not Him or Coinkite
Great to read your side of the story! Hope your project will grow and develop even more in the future!! ⚡️⚡️💪🏻
Thanks for posting this and thank you for being such an awesome builder. I truly hope you continue your great work here and would love to buy a clock direct from you when/if you have them available.
It's a trademark issue, not a code or github issue. Trademark is garbage type of law. I'm running a company not a foss project. Even foss projects have trademarks they defend. Because there is no choice, defend or lose.
The drama due to people utter ignorance about trademark and is mostly generated and amplified by the scumbags from foundation and seed signer guy.
I don't know this guy, or was ever contacted by him. The legal trademark team has autonomy and go over all of our tradfemarks, he was just one issue.
If he ever contacted me, I would have encouraged him to create something new and different with his skills, but that's just my way of being. I see skills wasted not created something actually new. Heck he didn't even bother changing the display aspect ratio.
Because this is a legal mater i can't get into details or argue online.
I find it very funny how some people love talking about freedom and free markets but then they trademark a clock!
😱
Is the hardware trademarked or the code?
Shit take tbh. As an “artist” I’d expect someone like you would understand the power of transformative use and its importance in advancing innovation and creativity.
Who cares if he copied it. If it works similar and is 10 times cheaper... Thats what competition is about.
Cuck move from NVK
It is not a shit take. 1000’s of clocks that aren’t rolex blatant copies.
i like this reply, but it’s a copy not an original design. so make something cheaper sure, but why not be original while doing it?
Because its hard with a clock?! Do a web image search on clock. All the competitor clocks look so similar. But hey, innovation is inspiration by some other insights. For me it's the attitude from Bitcoiners and Nostr. I thought most are free open source and V4V minded. Some don't. Shit happens.
I guess funny is a sarcastic word in this context 😂. But yeah, 💯
Blancpain surely wasn't very happy with Rolex either 🤷♂️
@BTC Sessions do you have a ‘how to’ for this? Would be a fun build.
Hahaha damn, there’s always a source. What’s the story here 😁
Let’s hear
@DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞 ‘s response before we assume his intent or motives.
In the Bitcoin industry, imitation is often seen as a catalyst for innovation, pushing companies to enhance their products.
However, my experience with Coinkite's customer service has left me hesitant to engage with them further. Their abrupt discontinuation of their costly payment terminals, which I had owned for less than four months, was disappointing, especially as they failed to honor their commitment to provide a discount voucher.
The sector merits a higher standard of service and integrity. Consequently, I commend
@Djuri's recent initiative. While I have not previously bought a btclock, this decision has certainly piqued my interest in making a purchase.
You made it a legal matter, and you can just as easily undo that. Just speak out what you want and see if you and
@Djuri can figure it out. For fuck sake, get a beer together.
Nobody really cares. This is the publicity btclock needed to go mainstream! 😂 🤣
Nothing is trademarked, especially not in Europe. This is just another dick move that will work to btclock's advantage.
Coinkite taking down the GitHub repository of a free and open-source BTClock project is exactly why we need a GitHub alternative on Nostr. Fuck NVK, fuck Coinkite, and fuck those who support them.
Djuri
OK, past few days were quite wild. I am currenly in El Salvador because I was attending the Adopting Bitcoin conference. My very limited internet connection here made it quite difficult to engage, I mostly just got push notifications. Hereby I want to take the opportunity to tell the story from my side.
TL;DR: We were just having fun, we thought it was okay. Apperently it's not and nvk is is so upset that he felt he had to file a GitHub takedown request. I feel that's not how bitcoiners behave.
### How it started
I have been working on the #BTClock since April '23. It started of some sort of bet where I challenged myself to make a BTC ticker as cheap as possible. I just ordered seven eInk displays on AliExpress with the intention of showing information related to bitcoin using an ESP32.
Why seven? Because the words BITCOIN and SATOSHI both consist of seven letters and connecting more screens to the ESP32 did not seem possible without adding I/O-port expanders.
Yes. The idea was inspired (among other projects) by Blockclock, which also uses eInk displays. I don't own one, so I couldn't "reverse engineer" or use any direct inspiration of it but the way you can combine multiple eInk displays to display information in an useful way is very limited.
After getting the schematic right. I created a 3D printable case for it (
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6009628) and named it BTClock after someone's idea in the Dutch Noderunners community. Since it consists of seven characters I thought it's the perfect name since it fits the seven displays too.
View quoted note →
### May 2023
This allows you to create a BTClock for ±70 euro (if you own a 3D printer).
I shared the progress of the project in the MakerBits telegram group. Ben Arc checked with nvk how he felt about it, and I have seen his responsse where he replied with that he felt honored and that I should go ahead. In hindsight, I should've asked Ben to forward this to me but I wouldn't expect this to "haunt" me like it did last week.
After sharing the very spaghetti-y schematic in some Telegram groups, someone replied that he was working on making an actual PCB out of it. After some DM'ing back and forth we got our first PCB prototype that needed some work. After 4 iterations we finally got it how we wanted and were able to sell DIY kits. The PCB is real artwork, so we wanted to show it off. Therefore we added a acrylic backplate to be able to protect it while still able to see the proof-of-work by Madbo, the PCB artwork designer. We used a lot of through hole components to make it accesible for anyone who has a soldering iron.
### August 2023
In August 2023 we finally got the kits ready, while the initial plan was to only sell the DIY kit within the Dutch Noderunners community, I brought smoe with me to Baltic Honeybadger '23 as well, where it proved to be pretty succesful while sitting next to Ben in the chilling lounge.
I got a lot of encouraging and positive remarks about the project, including Daniel Prince (@princeysov) who tweeted about this (
https://x.com/Princey21M/status/1698257536418267624).
It appeared that this tweet firstly poked the lion, since nvk sent some of his coinkite employees to me after this tweet, a group of 4 people asked a lot of questions while filming me (without my consent, I didn't realize this when they were asking it but when they walked away it was clear to see the iPhone was recording video).
Not a lot later, nvk sent out a tweet which was clearly about the BTClock project without explicitly mentioning the name (
https://x.com/nvk/status/1698423362819682400)
However, in my opinion this did still fit the message I read he wrote to Ben that he was more flattered than upset. It was only then when I learned about how he reacted to Foundation Passport and how he behaves regarding the SeedSigner project.

### March 2024
During Bitcoin Atlantis in March 2024, there was a nice space for the MakerBits projects including the BTClock, the software by this time has many improvements, including real-time new block notifications by utilizing the Mempool.space Websocket API. Since the hardware is also open source, many alternative faceplates are available including a stainless steel one and a completely white one. Multiple people witnessed nvk walking passed the maker space while looking at me, but he did not engage or whatsoever. I would expect if he would take offense by the product, he would've approached me by now but he didn't. He does know who I am though, both in real-life and I'm posting enough on my social media accounts (Nostr and Xitter) to find me there as well.
### Fast forward to November 2024
A lot has happened in the development of the BTClock, among other things I added a BitAxe integration and Nostr Zap Notifications to the software and we managed to add frontlight to the eInk displays which I really think sets the BTClock apart from other "tickers" like the Blockclock mini.
The Blockclock mini hasn't had any updates for two years (since October 3rd, 2022) which seems to be like the Blockclick mini can be considered end-of-life.
I therefore was very suprised that when I woke up on November 14th, I received an e-mail that the BTClock GitHub organization was flagged because of alleged trademark infringement of the BTClock.
This was according to a report by Coinkite to GitHub. The letter I shared in the MakerBits Telegram group was ONLY sent to GitHub, not to me (although I haven't been home for a while so I don't know something is waiting in my physical mailbox).
Luckily git is decentralized version control and there are already mirrors of the hardware and software source available. Also GitHub allows me to appeal but haven't taken the chance to do so.
Although I do understand that the concept of trademarks exists for a reason, I feel this a very cowardly move and certainly not something that I would expect from fellow bitcoiners. Just sending me a DM on Nostr, X or Telegram is the least I would expect. I don't mean to offend or infringe, and would be happy to discuss options if open to it. Either in DM or out in the open.
I'm all about transparency so
@DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞 here is my invitation to discuss this out in the open. I'm sorry that we seem to upset you. what is it that bothers you, can we find a way to let the projects co-exist? Or even see if the BTClock software can adapted to your Blockclock mini hardware.
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Because the original is a substandard and overpriced product. Btclock is so much better!
Imagine supporting this guy and his company after what this trademark move... yikes.
NGMI
Same. no more coinkite products for me..
Can’t get used to the awesomeness of this! 🤩🤩
Thanks
@JOSE BAM! ⚡️
#Nostr #BTClock

neither can I! 😅
When can I buy a couple?
Can I get one?
so where to buy one (with international shipping)?
Where is it possible to buy the one with front light? Or is it not possible because you’re not in the Netherlands at the moment? 🤞🏻
And now I want one!
I have almost all coinkite products. I like to buy bitcoin "stuff" because I'm a sucker for gadgets but also because I like to support the makers in the bitcoin world. I have more hardware wallets and other stuff from all sorts of brands than I will ever use. But to be quite honest, except for the coldpower and blockclock the coinkite products all kinda suck in one way or the other. ColdCard mk1 had the keyboard issue that
@DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞 always played down. I had multiple Opendimes fail on me and when I tweeted about it
@DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞 kinda got very annoyed just for mentioning this fact. The ColdCard mk2, mk3 and mk4 keyboards are better but not that much. Not to mention NFC that is next to impossible to get to work. Countless attempts building frustration and then NFC might work if you're lucky.
The Q looks great and has great features but also some disappointments like the size of the on-screen QR which is very small compared to the screen itself and I have yet to get it read with my laptop cam.
But the most disappointing is the behavior and attitude that is displayed by
@DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞 towards FOSS products. The way he's been on seedsigner's back and now this legal action towards
@Djuri and btclock without even getting in contact first has made me decide that I will no longer buy or support coinkite products.
Not even FOSS, just Source Viewable.
Everyone is allowed to choose their own license for their work, but everyone is also allowed to choose what licenses they want their purchases to be under. I will nevwr buy another coinkite thing, sadly...
Blockclock is closed source AFAIK
People really like to misunderstand the “ethos” of open source as some hippy utopia ideal. You clearly ripped off the block clock, which may not have been your intention but is clear nonetheless. Having legal action against you is purely the business protecting itself and if the situations/timelines were reversed, you’d be doing the same, or you’re dumb (clearly not given the proof of work).
Sounds like you started a competition and then got butt hurt when your competition fought back.
I use to love nostr and now it feels like I just come online to a bunch of whiney bitches complaining.
@nvk your clock is too expensive.
What happens when the clock hits $100K?
We talking about a basic clock?! Copyright is a fiat concept anyway. You can't own ideas.
Their support for their own BlockClock is not great either, as they refuse to answer my question about whether the BlockClock can display a $100,000 Bitcoin price due to the limited number of digits on the clock.
This story made me what to buy one of yours.
You can customize how that turns out unlike the proprietary Coinkite BLOCKCLOCK
Dropping the USD/BTC ticker, or showing as $100K, so on
The legal team has autonomy?
Ripping of a clock. If Christiaan Huygens would know about this...
you dont understand open source.
also
"intellectual property" is a legal fiction enforced by state violence
Keep moving forward 🫡
Someone just doesn’t like open source projects. He’s been bashing seedsigner for years, too. He hates that there are open source options in the bitcoin space. Not sure how you can trademark a clock? I don’t see Rolex getting pissed as Casio for making a way to tell time. They are two different products and different buyers and different experiences. No different here. If you want the closed source expensive experience go buy that one. If you want the open source dyi version with endless options and ways to customize go for this!
Nothing wrong with building something equally similar in features but less expensive for the customer. Especially in the decentralized space such as this #lfg 🎉
i was at Atlantis and i saw this stuff and i never heard about anyone talking trash about it
something shady going on behind this i'm sure
the clock is expensive because they spend so much on lawyers
Should any company that competes with an incumbent to provide a better and/or cheaper product be shut down? Doesn't sound like the free market to me.
Some leftist style projection going on calling people commies for participating in the free market.
What to do about? That is the question.
I wanna build one!
Make your stuff gpl ? Damus iOS and notedeck are gpl. Corpos hate gpl.
Thanks! I’ll look into this.
Proceeds to wine and bitch :PepeLaugh: :PepeLaugh: :PepeLaugh:
why am I not surprised your response avoids any responsibility and blames seed signer and foundation?
put on your big boy pants and admit you don't have a problem using state violence to protect your interests
Need some tissues for your tears?
coinkite stuff is too expensive. cypherpunks write code, they don't file complaints to create regulatory moats. bitcoin is about merit.
Djuri's clocks are awesome. And they get frequent updates! Not every 2 years....
Also, it's a clock. It tells the time in Block height.
I've wondered that too. I guess we'll find out soon enough 😉
I want to buy one as well!
instead of fucking the banksters, we are fucking each others...
LOL!!!
While I sympathize with the argument that trademark law requires enforcement, Blockclock is such a generic name that a trademark should have never been issued. Equally, displaying Bitcoin data like block height on a screen is an obvious idea that certainly doesn't deserve protection.
Notably, the term "btcclock" was coined 7 years ago by rcassata, for essentially the same idea:

GitHub
GitHub - eternitywall/btcclock
Contribute to eternitywall/btcclock development by creating an account on GitHub.
There's nothing wrong with another project choosing to use that generic name for yet another implementation of the same idea. Coinkite should do the right thing here and withdraw their takedown.
Djuri
OK, past few days were quite wild. I am currenly in El Salvador because I was attending the Adopting Bitcoin conference. My very limited internet connection here made it quite difficult to engage, I mostly just got push notifications. Hereby I want to take the opportunity to tell the story from my side.
TL;DR: We were just having fun, we thought it was okay. Apperently it's not and nvk is is so upset that he felt he had to file a GitHub takedown request. I feel that's not how bitcoiners behave.
### How it started
I have been working on the #BTClock since April '23. It started of some sort of bet where I challenged myself to make a BTC ticker as cheap as possible. I just ordered seven eInk displays on AliExpress with the intention of showing information related to bitcoin using an ESP32.
Why seven? Because the words BITCOIN and SATOSHI both consist of seven letters and connecting more screens to the ESP32 did not seem possible without adding I/O-port expanders.
Yes. The idea was inspired (among other projects) by Blockclock, which also uses eInk displays. I don't own one, so I couldn't "reverse engineer" or use any direct inspiration of it but the way you can combine multiple eInk displays to display information in an useful way is very limited.
After getting the schematic right. I created a 3D printable case for it (
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6009628) and named it BTClock after someone's idea in the Dutch Noderunners community. Since it consists of seven characters I thought it's the perfect name since it fits the seven displays too.
View quoted note →
### May 2023
This allows you to create a BTClock for ±70 euro (if you own a 3D printer).
I shared the progress of the project in the MakerBits telegram group. Ben Arc checked with nvk how he felt about it, and I have seen his responsse where he replied with that he felt honored and that I should go ahead. In hindsight, I should've asked Ben to forward this to me but I wouldn't expect this to "haunt" me like it did last week.
After sharing the very spaghetti-y schematic in some Telegram groups, someone replied that he was working on making an actual PCB out of it. After some DM'ing back and forth we got our first PCB prototype that needed some work. After 4 iterations we finally got it how we wanted and were able to sell DIY kits. The PCB is real artwork, so we wanted to show it off. Therefore we added a acrylic backplate to be able to protect it while still able to see the proof-of-work by Madbo, the PCB artwork designer. We used a lot of through hole components to make it accesible for anyone who has a soldering iron.
### August 2023
In August 2023 we finally got the kits ready, while the initial plan was to only sell the DIY kit within the Dutch Noderunners community, I brought smoe with me to Baltic Honeybadger '23 as well, where it proved to be pretty succesful while sitting next to Ben in the chilling lounge.
I got a lot of encouraging and positive remarks about the project, including Daniel Prince (@princeysov) who tweeted about this (
https://x.com/Princey21M/status/1698257536418267624).
It appeared that this tweet firstly poked the lion, since nvk sent some of his coinkite employees to me after this tweet, a group of 4 people asked a lot of questions while filming me (without my consent, I didn't realize this when they were asking it but when they walked away it was clear to see the iPhone was recording video).
Not a lot later, nvk sent out a tweet which was clearly about the BTClock project without explicitly mentioning the name (
https://x.com/nvk/status/1698423362819682400)
However, in my opinion this did still fit the message I read he wrote to Ben that he was more flattered than upset. It was only then when I learned about how he reacted to Foundation Passport and how he behaves regarding the SeedSigner project.

### March 2024
During Bitcoin Atlantis in March 2024, there was a nice space for the MakerBits projects including the BTClock, the software by this time has many improvements, including real-time new block notifications by utilizing the Mempool.space Websocket API. Since the hardware is also open source, many alternative faceplates are available including a stainless steel one and a completely white one. Multiple people witnessed nvk walking passed the maker space while looking at me, but he did not engage or whatsoever. I would expect if he would take offense by the product, he would've approached me by now but he didn't. He does know who I am though, both in real-life and I'm posting enough on my social media accounts (Nostr and Xitter) to find me there as well.
### Fast forward to November 2024
A lot has happened in the development of the BTClock, among other things I added a BitAxe integration and Nostr Zap Notifications to the software and we managed to add frontlight to the eInk displays which I really think sets the BTClock apart from other "tickers" like the Blockclock mini.
The Blockclock mini hasn't had any updates for two years (since October 3rd, 2022) which seems to be like the Blockclick mini can be considered end-of-life.
I therefore was very suprised that when I woke up on November 14th, I received an e-mail that the BTClock GitHub organization was flagged because of alleged trademark infringement of the BTClock.
This was according to a report by Coinkite to GitHub. The letter I shared in the MakerBits Telegram group was ONLY sent to GitHub, not to me (although I haven't been home for a while so I don't know something is waiting in my physical mailbox).
Luckily git is decentralized version control and there are already mirrors of the hardware and software source available. Also GitHub allows me to appeal but haven't taken the chance to do so.
Although I do understand that the concept of trademarks exists for a reason, I feel this a very cowardly move and certainly not something that I would expect from fellow bitcoiners. Just sending me a DM on Nostr, X or Telegram is the least I would expect. I don't mean to offend or infringe, and would be happy to discuss options if open to it. Either in DM or out in the open.
I'm all about transparency so
@DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞 here is my invitation to discuss this out in the open. I'm sorry that we seem to upset you. what is it that bothers you, can we find a way to let the projects co-exist? Or even see if the BTClock software can adapted to your Blockclock mini hardware.
View quoted note →
Djuri! What a wild story brother and what a pleasure to meet you in meatspace. Good luck with this wild ride.
We? Luckily it's only NVK and two or three others.
Ok! I was thinking of the coldcard. When they closed the code on that is when I gave up on them...
Coinkite website says many of the products are open source. Not the coldcard or blockclock? Wonder which ones are?
meanwhile NVK is blaming passport and saying he has no responsibility
and you think Djuri is whining 🙄
Coldcard is “source available” not open source (you can’t use it for “commercial purposes”)
Everything trends to 0 against BTC
There is no such a thing as intellectual property, only intellectual monopoly granted my the state.
Ideas are not limited, if one has an idea the other will not, suddenly be incapable of having the same idea.
So, I don't see any problem with your BTClock whatsoever
I'll never buy a product from cuntkite
supposedly the bullshit relates to trademark but that's got nothing to do with copyright
I get asked about why I license noscrypt under lgpl often so I added my reason to the startup documentation. Corps can easily use mostly gpl licensed things, especially lgpl and they do often. It's nearly impossible to write any Linux application without linking to gnu libc, or other lgpl equivalent. It can be done, and is done without much friction. IMO, I just requires you to respect the developer and their users. I see the lgpl specifically in noscrypt as protecting my user's rights when using my software.
https://www.vaughnnugent.com/resources/software/articles/62ca932f68b8e0b1b99dca6e1c9ffe5538205efb#lgpl-license
i always CC0 or unlicense whenever i get a say in it
i'm more concerned about it getting patented than someone else using it
someone else using it would be an honor
Licenses are so subjective to a project and the developers opinions that I mostly stopped caring. I have my reasons and people have ther own. Everyone weighs pros/cons differently, nuance and world view.
I think both of those licenses are great. I use plenty of CC license projects and the developers are great people (mjanson and rpmalloc for example.)
>someone else using it would be an honor
I completely agree!
i just flat out do not want someone patenting my literal work
the rest idgaf, if i made something useful that someone can make more hay from good, it's between them and God whether they give me some credit for my work
You could also probably take about the GNU and BSD license wars lol
*talk
Finally,
Free as in Freedom and/or Free as in Price
Yeah totally!
In my case I like the added step, of what I believe is protecting my users. People using tools that involve my software should always have access to the source code and ability to modify it if they see fit, or get it directly from me if they want to. If it's software I or my community developed, people should have access to it. I do understand the economics of that being difficult in some cases though, but I think it's worth it.
public domain guarantees that the same as GPL
i prefer it to just be public domain because businesses see it as a utility instead of a rentseeking opportunity that is being "DENIED"
yeah, it's really stupid though
the worst thing is patents... the more things we invent and public domain the less things can patent
why though? because being visible makes you a target?
that's silly, you will never make an impact on the world if nobody saw it
Let me get you some tissues too....
HFSP
Open Source Everything. You are doing great work on that project and I learned a lot from you! If I want to do it myself I can’t do it with a closed product like Bitcoin Clock. Happy to have you in the community!
use a cutout if U feel the need/that means p2p with a fren or boomer who just doesn't care & will volunteer for the frontlines, betr equipped ffs/lol
#Boomers2nurtureyoungers cuz, all they have is a hope & prayer *cycling out/dgaf
They invented rotating diving bezels in the same year as Rolex, 1953 🤠🤙 there are "discussions" who was first

Lots of 🚩🚩🚩
Buy build and use opensource product instead!!
dumb.
really dumb.
Legit question. How does public domain guaruntee that corps who modify my code and ship it to users will ensure access to my source code for users if they want it?
Tell that to Satoshi
We stand with you, brother! ⚡️
+ I can't trust those who are guided by mosCow time and don't see this as a problem

streisand effect in full force now. solid explanation.
@DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞 I get that trademarks are a "use it or lose it" situation, but this seems like a stretch for the mark itself. of course the design is similar but it's not a mark issue not a patent issue.
who made who
same visuals with different takes, great minds think alike...
and rolex and the rest are always crying
Yeah, great argument for pretending to be ancap and then using state heavies to clamp down on the free market! 😂
fuck that whiner where do i buy one of these 'illegal' clocks
Beautiful
Firmware seems 4 O 4
Peak fiat mentality IMO
i figured it out, ya'll defenders can't tell the difference between counterfeiting and recreation. i get it, not worth engaging more
It will look like this:

Oh don’t get your panties in a twist, you weren’t engaging anyway, just doing the “I’m an influencer so I know best” thing!
It is not counterfeiting, there is no intent to decieve.
Hope all the free gizmos from Coinkite are worth it!
i’m sorry you’re having a hard time, i hope things get better for you 🥂
www.btclock.store check after the weekend for the bamboo version
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Yeah that's because of the GitHub takedown 😭 mirror can be found at
https://git.rof.tools/mirrors/btclock_v3/releases or you can compile the firmware yourself from the git repo
I wonder the same for what happens when block height reaches 1,000,000 blocks - both BlockClock and BTClock would need an update to display it, as it currently seems.
I think SeedSigner is criticised because it doesn't have a secure element, and because it uses a Raspberry Pi which is not really Open Source itself (the hardware).
I would use SeedSigner as a learning device and a HW with secure element for big amounts. However, Coldcards seem to break pretty fast.
Thought of this, for the #BTClock it’s either one of these options for the price. Also there are expansion ports available so you can connect multiple clocks 😁

Europe
Thanks man! I just ordered one! ⚡️🙏🏻⚡️
Is it possible to purchase these kits from outside US and Europe?
Yes but for some countries I haven’t calculated shipping costs yet. Can you try if check out works for you? (It should show the costs before needing to pay), and if not, send me an DM with your country so I can check the cheapest option :)
Thanks. Was able to select my country at checkout (it did not show up under estimate shipping) but it say its cant calculate shipping. Sent you a DM.
I think they should be original too. But should you use legal system to force them into it? No...
can't eait to get mine.....
How did you get zaps working? I'm confused by my pubkey not starting with npub. Where do I find it then?
Are using Primal? Normally you can find it in your profile. This is your npub:
npub1qyxlpj2gl6dt2nfvkl4yyrl6pr2hjkycrdh2dr5r42n7ktwn7pdqrdmu7u
At the bottom

Hope you got it to work! 💪🏻
It does not use your npub. I found the key I used in my amber logs. I've never seen it report a zap, so that may still be wrong but it accepted the format.
It may also be that I'm a smaller account that doesn't get the volume of zaps of the bigger accounts so it just never announced one while I was in front of it.
Hmmm…that’s strange. Maybe try to zap yourself to test it? Bevause it also could be due to the relay you have set up within the gui…
Fuck NVK
Djuri
OK, past few days were quite wild. I am currenly in El Salvador because I was attending the Adopting Bitcoin conference. My very limited internet connection here made it quite difficult to engage, I mostly just got push notifications. Hereby I want to take the opportunity to tell the story from my side.
TL;DR: We were just having fun, we thought it was okay. Apperently it's not and nvk is is so upset that he felt he had to file a GitHub takedown request. I feel that's not how bitcoiners behave.
### How it started
I have been working on the #BTClock since April '23. It started of some sort of bet where I challenged myself to make a BTC ticker as cheap as possible. I just ordered seven eInk displays on AliExpress with the intention of showing information related to bitcoin using an ESP32.
Why seven? Because the words BITCOIN and SATOSHI both consist of seven letters and connecting more screens to the ESP32 did not seem possible without adding I/O-port expanders.
Yes. The idea was inspired (among other projects) by Blockclock, which also uses eInk displays. I don't own one, so I couldn't "reverse engineer" or use any direct inspiration of it but the way you can combine multiple eInk displays to display information in an useful way is very limited.
After getting the schematic right. I created a 3D printable case for it (
https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:6009628) and named it BTClock after someone's idea in the Dutch Noderunners community. Since it consists of seven characters I thought it's the perfect name since it fits the seven displays too.
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### May 2023
This allows you to create a BTClock for ±70 euro (if you own a 3D printer).
I shared the progress of the project in the MakerBits telegram group. Ben Arc checked with nvk how he felt about it, and I have seen his responsse where he replied with that he felt honored and that I should go ahead. In hindsight, I should've asked Ben to forward this to me but I wouldn't expect this to "haunt" me like it did last week.
After sharing the very spaghetti-y schematic in some Telegram groups, someone replied that he was working on making an actual PCB out of it. After some DM'ing back and forth we got our first PCB prototype that needed some work. After 4 iterations we finally got it how we wanted and were able to sell DIY kits. The PCB is real artwork, so we wanted to show it off. Therefore we added a acrylic backplate to be able to protect it while still able to see the proof-of-work by Madbo, the PCB artwork designer. We used a lot of through hole components to make it accesible for anyone who has a soldering iron.
### August 2023
In August 2023 we finally got the kits ready, while the initial plan was to only sell the DIY kit within the Dutch Noderunners community, I brought smoe with me to Baltic Honeybadger '23 as well, where it proved to be pretty succesful while sitting next to Ben in the chilling lounge.
I got a lot of encouraging and positive remarks about the project, including Daniel Prince (@princeysov) who tweeted about this (
https://x.com/Princey21M/status/1698257536418267624).
It appeared that this tweet firstly poked the lion, since nvk sent some of his coinkite employees to me after this tweet, a group of 4 people asked a lot of questions while filming me (without my consent, I didn't realize this when they were asking it but when they walked away it was clear to see the iPhone was recording video).
Not a lot later, nvk sent out a tweet which was clearly about the BTClock project without explicitly mentioning the name (
https://x.com/nvk/status/1698423362819682400)
However, in my opinion this did still fit the message I read he wrote to Ben that he was more flattered than upset. It was only then when I learned about how he reacted to Foundation Passport and how he behaves regarding the SeedSigner project.

### March 2024
During Bitcoin Atlantis in March 2024, there was a nice space for the MakerBits projects including the BTClock, the software by this time has many improvements, including real-time new block notifications by utilizing the Mempool.space Websocket API. Since the hardware is also open source, many alternative faceplates are available including a stainless steel one and a completely white one. Multiple people witnessed nvk walking passed the maker space while looking at me, but he did not engage or whatsoever. I would expect if he would take offense by the product, he would've approached me by now but he didn't. He does know who I am though, both in real-life and I'm posting enough on my social media accounts (Nostr and Xitter) to find me there as well.
### Fast forward to November 2024
A lot has happened in the development of the BTClock, among other things I added a BitAxe integration and Nostr Zap Notifications to the software and we managed to add frontlight to the eInk displays which I really think sets the BTClock apart from other "tickers" like the Blockclock mini.
The Blockclock mini hasn't had any updates for two years (since October 3rd, 2022) which seems to be like the Blockclick mini can be considered end-of-life.
I therefore was very suprised that when I woke up on November 14th, I received an e-mail that the BTClock GitHub organization was flagged because of alleged trademark infringement of the BTClock.
This was according to a report by Coinkite to GitHub. The letter I shared in the MakerBits Telegram group was ONLY sent to GitHub, not to me (although I haven't been home for a while so I don't know something is waiting in my physical mailbox).
Luckily git is decentralized version control and there are already mirrors of the hardware and software source available. Also GitHub allows me to appeal but haven't taken the chance to do so.
Although I do understand that the concept of trademarks exists for a reason, I feel this a very cowardly move and certainly not something that I would expect from fellow bitcoiners. Just sending me a DM on Nostr, X or Telegram is the least I would expect. I don't mean to offend or infringe, and would be happy to discuss options if open to it. Either in DM or out in the open.
I'm all about transparency so
@DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞 here is my invitation to discuss this out in the open. I'm sorry that we seem to upset you. what is it that bothers you, can we find a way to let the projects co-exist? Or even see if the BTClock software can adapted to your Blockclock mini hardware.
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No permission is needed to write code, build, etc.
How / where can I support your project / buy a kit?
I saw your device at BHB couple of years back, it was cool and an obvious project of passion.
You can buy a kit at www.btclock.store