The Dead Sea Scrolls are fake. They were "discovered" two years after Nag Hamadi, and their main use is to legitimize Israel. They saw how the Nag Hammadi find was big news in the US, and they were trying to establish Israel, so they got to work creating the fakes. It took 2 years to fabricate them, and even now its difficult to get access to them and they are very tightly controlled.

I’m tempted to say I believe you

The dead sea scrolls got debunked years ago. They were fake, created by zionists. Meanwhile there's actually like a dozen books the Catholic church removed from the Bible that Christians totally ignore.

If we debated live, I would wipe the floor with you and make you look ridiculous for expressing this opinion.

I agree on the second point. The first point is retarded. I guarantee if we debated live without the benefit of being able to look anything up, I would make you look ridiculously ignorant.

I'm not doing anything live, but you are always welcome to display such hubris

"Without the benefit of looking anything up"? You don't sound so confident here.

I'm saying I know more than you about this subject. If we debated and you had the ability to use the internet to look shit up, that would be the only way for you to draw anywhere close to even with me. I'm calling you out. If we debated live, your ignorance on this subject would be betrayed in spectacular fashion. I would own you. How's that for confidence?

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yeah, the first point really is retarded. the majority of the texts found in that cache were in some cases word for word copies of other known texts from other manuscripts. the ones that weren't were the real information. the gospel of thomas, fragments of enoch, and others.

It sounds more like a bruised ego than confidence to be honest from an outsider not knowing the validity of either claim. A: "I think this claim is true" B: "I don't, here's some counter claims" A: "WHAT AN IDIOT I COULD WIPE THE FLOOR WITH YOU!" That sounds like a nerve was touched.

Yeah, a friend who couldn't name a single Dead Sea Scroll author and has never read a single Dead Sea Scroll verse decided to fire a shot at me instead of asking me what I've found. The fact that people act in a particular manner doesn't make that manner polite, respectful, loving, etc. If a Bitcoin nay sayer knew everything about Bitcoin except for the difficulty adjustment, would their opinion of Bitcoin be valid? Abso fucking lutely not. Let me spell this out since you are not seeing the obvious. Criticizing someone's research findings without having done your full due diligence on their research is the dictionary fucking definition of prejudice. You don't judge a book by its cover. You don't judge research based on a headline. It is unfair. It is dishonest, and fuck you for not realizing that.

Okay, good luck with that Hawk.

Waiting on your response to my longform response via repost. No response will be considered a one punch knock out. I'm not holding my breath for an apology or that Steak n Shake zap. You fucked up big time but now your ego won't eat the crow it deserves.

You're an idiot. I've been nothing but friendly with you. You got all pissy, so if there's an apology, its coming from you. You're welcome to be a friend again after you figure out you're in the wrong.

Yeah, and then you decided to act like an intellectually dishonest asshole to me all of a sudden after having done dogshit levels of due diligence. I owe you no apology.

Where exactly? Point it out, please.

Did you not read my longform response yet?

No, I haven't. Do you have any idea how busy I am? And my current medical problems, which make reading difficult? Its all over my timeline. Not saying you have to read it, but you're the going on about due diligence while ironically making an assumption. Besides, why would I read it? You're being so disrespectful, I have no reason to take you seriously. Only I am required to be a saint, is that how it works? Get over yourself. You claim to be an enlightened being, and I'm happy to take your word, and its a very interesting story, but if you were enlightened to any degree you would not display such ego.

The reason I don't do live debates is for security concerns. It has nothing to do with the material. I don't do recordings, either. I don't want this npub linked to identity because this is my free speech npub and I expect attacks on privacy to increase.

I've been trying to grow my reach by focusing on other social media outlets so I haven't been paying attention to NOSTR's timeline much lately. I'm sorry you're dealing with medical problems. I did see your post this morning (after all this bullshit popped off) about having suffered a stroke. You know I don't want that for you or anyone. That's fine, bro. Don't read it. I even said at the bottom to "persist in your ignorance if you must" but know that if you come at me with the intent to correct me, you'd better bring your fucking A game because I will not tolerate crab bucket behavior. Crabs that try to pull me back into the bucket will get killed and their bodies will be used to form a staircase which I will use to escape the bucket. It is ego to do dogshit levels of due diligence and think you have what it takes to hang in this conversation with me. It is humility on my part to do my due diligence and possess all of the proof of work that I possess. My research is not to make me rich or famous. It's to stop religiously motivated violence. You decided to place yourself in between me and that goal. Prepare to be knocked the fuck out of the way.

Good luck. "Blessed are the poor in spirit." - that's meant as a gift only. Its ego-minimized.

Wait, stop religiously motivated violence? Are you serious? How much religiously motivated violence is Zionism responsible for? Anything legitimizing Zionism should be attacked, if your goal is violence reduction.

LMFAO the "poor in spirit" is an Essene thing. Jesus got it from then. If you'd read the Dead Sea Scrolls instead of selling out to anti-Semitic half baked conspiracy theories, you'd know that.

Quote from the longform post you won't read: "The entire purpose of my research is aimed at ending the era of religiously motivated violence on this planet. Few have been motivated to constructive action by the Palestinian genocide as I have. The Israelis who have perpetrated this genocide will have to deal with the karmic consequences of their actions and I wouldn't have it any other way. That said, that doesn't mean that the Jewish tradition is any less legitimate than many religious traditions."

I have read it. I studied a lot. You would know that if you were reading my notes, but again, I don't think anyone has to. Can you see the theme here? You're making a lot of assumptions. I'm trying to steer you away from assumptions. This isn't about my ego. It looks very tied up in your ego, though. I hope you can recognize good will here.

And you started the assumption train down the tracks on this one by failing to act righteously by asking me questions before telling me I'm dumb and wrong. GFY

Another quote from the longform post you won't read: "I take wisdom from wherever I can get it. One piece of wisdom I got from playing the board game Clue as a kid. In Clue, you can make as many Suggestions as the dice and your choices afford you before the game ends, but you only get to make one Accusation per game. Your game is over either way when you make an Accusation. You're either right and you win the game or you're wrong and you're out of the game while the other players continue to play and finish it. Why are you out of the game if you make an incorrect Accusation? Because that's a dick move and if you do that in real life, there will be consequences. What you said to me was not a loving response. That was not Golden Rule behavior. That was lazy, ignorant, crab bucket behavior."

Understandable. We don't have to actually do a debate. I was just bringing it up to challenge the amount of knowledge you've accumulated on this particular subject and make you think twice about arguing with me without having actually done your due diligence in investigating the case I've put together to support my claims.

I said nothing of the sort. I was being conversational, trusting that you would act in a similar way, and I boosted my reply because it is morally right and good to help people not be pulled in by this thing that is used to legitimize violence. It is definitely used for violence. Tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of people have been murdered in the area of Palestine, and those murders are partly done because of those scrolls. Because people like my uncle **_believe!_** that the state Israel is God's chosen people and they can never do anything wrong and they're only victims. There are tens of millions of people who think that in the US. They've never rigorously studied scripture, and they would freak out if I told them I've read the non-canonical gospels. They'd say its demonic. They accuse and assume without knowing. The same thing you also say is wrong! Please stop calling me antisemitic. I am not. I admire the Jews and their esoteric teachings. But I am a Christian and I know that the Israel of the bible is not the state of Israel. That's nor antisemitic, and actually has a lot of support from within Judaism.

By correcting me, you were assuming I was wrong and have no case to support my claims. If you still haven't read my longform response, then you don't know I shot your conspiracy theory to shit. What you're talking about is a collection of roughly 70 "new" fragments that flooded the antiquities market after 2002. Those were fakes and those were the ones that were tested. The scrolls found between 1947-1956 are widely acknowledged as legitimate. There's nuance here you're ignorant of. You are the one making loads of assumptions. You can't understand any of these religious traditions without the context of the others. You're a Christian? Cool. Me too. I'm a perennialist. Christianity is really perennialism.

Me too. We have a lot in common. There's a really good book that I recently read, which I'm sure you've either read or will get to soon, called "the perennial philosophy" by Aldous Huxley. There was someone I saw criticizing the book here on nostr, but he addressed all those criticisms - the thing is, its towards the end of the book, which I find delicious, since it seems to presuppose that the overly religious types will only make judgements and never read it. I really had to fight the urge to screenshot that page and correct that guy - its the hubris that makes them unworthy of the knowledge in the first place, so it's not my place to help them there. Anyways. Tangent. Are we good again? I wasn't attacking you.

Yeah man. We're good. Take care of yourself. I don't want to stress you out while you're recovering from that. You know I appreciate you. Not many people have contributed material that was worthy of inclusion in my book so regardless of this brotherly skirmish, you will get a credit in the acknowledgements section along with anyone else who contributed. 🫂

Also, I haven't checked out Huxley's stuff but I think I was aware that he associated himself in some way with perennialism. Thanks for the rec. Frankly all perennialist thinkers deserve to be on my "to read" list.

You’ve done so much research but then resort to the laziest tactic of just blaming the Jews

Compte and I made up. We’re good again. He’s a perennialist like me so he sees that there is good and bad in every religious tradition. I explained that ~70 DSS forgeries that flooded the antiquities market around 2002 were what he was talking about, if not the many forgeries sold to archaeologists back in the 1940s-1950s by locals looking to capitalize on the opportunity. He was right about those but I was right about the roughly 800+ scrolls and fragments found back in the day as being legit. We found our happy middle ground and approve of one another’s overall motivations. Appreciate you both. 🫡 🪶

Love that you were able to figure it out I do not even scratch the surface on these topics compared to both of you. I am just a an idiot that likes to think humans are inherently loving and compassionate creatures that get corrupted by the environments around them. Nobody is perfect either Religion has always been a tough one for me as I view it as the sole reason for much of the violence throughout history so I fully support you trying to fix that.