FOR NOSTR TO BE SUCCESSFUL THERE NEEDS TO BE MANY GREAT APPS.
IF A FEW APPS DOMINATE, NOSTR LOSES.
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THIS 🤌🏾
Distribution and decentralisation is the key to success here
We need decentralisation on the app layer as well 🫡
Make building for nostr WIX easy. Problem solved.
Great apps attract users, but diversity in apps builds resilience.
To many great apps, each tailored to unique needs, cultures, and use cases.
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THE MORE OPTIONS THE BETTER
END CONSUMERS BENEFIT THE MOST WHEN THERE IS COMPETITION
There is strength in diversity!
It's a little comical to me to see devs/fans of one app that KYCs you and you have to copy and paste your PRIVATE KEY into --+ argung with devs/fans of an app only available for iPhones.
Lol drama.
Competition 🚀 is the way
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we are developing...
I wish I was smarterer, I'd build a house on nostr
Yes but where do you fall in the epic Damus vs Primal wars of 2024?
THE APPS WILL COME. THE PROTOCOL IS PERMISSIONLESS. WE ARE STILL EARLY. LET’S KEEP BUILDING 🫡
FACT
WE CURRENT ONLY HAVE AROUND 4 NOSTR APPS @primal @Damus @YakiHonne and @npub1nz64...0w5y we need to do more nostr developing apps .
Thanks for the groundbreaking insight, Sherlock-truly a revelation!
Like what?
@0xchat as well
Still waiting for you to follow up on where you said the other day that you always take responsibility when you get things wrong
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Installed Primal today. At first glance, don't know what all the hoopla is about? Amethyst user since day 1. Now running both clients, to play a bit...
What are the recent nostr apps you’d recommend?
The force is strong with this one
What’s the difference you’ve seen between both?
GREAT
Not much to be honest. But as said, it really is just a first glance. I like Amethyst a lot, because a) it has like really EVERYTHING. As much as @ODELL keeps referencing the livestream link on RHR, I never have/had to use it, because I can always watch RHR in-app on Amethyst. Don't know if Primal has this functionality? Also, "enabling" zaps in Primal seems a bit iffy as well 🤨
Need more. Few.
Makes sense
And no moving avatar on primal, better on Amethyst 🫣
I am going to step back into my corner and go back to staring at the wall and act busy as I don’t know what RHR is therefore am don’t know if they have the functionality 😭 hahaha
However, the Zap function is pretty easy. You just connect yourself to it. I do find getting a NIP verified address bit odd compared to iris.to for example.
I can see your avatar moving, but I’m messaging from Primal right now.
I don't. Maybe it's a Primal Premium function 😇
Interesting. I want one. Need to figure out how to make it. I’m new to NOSTR 😂
Oh, animated avatars is enabled now in Primal. Step-by-step onwards 😁
Hopefully now your zaps are too!
That's why I'm always switching. I spend some time using one client and then explore others. Right now, I'm using @npub1nz64...0w5y, and it's amazing! It might be the most complete one I've tried so far.
try them all
Openvibe
Oxchat
Snort
Primal
Fountain
Humbly suggesting that apps should do more to incentive users to use other apps. The magic is in the mix.
Real competition between social clients doesn't even really begin until there's an efficient way to direct more nuanced traffic towards specialized clients & relays. Now is the time to be deeply opinionated about what an app should do really well and what it should not do at all.
FOR NOSTR TO BE SUCCESSFUL, THERE NEEDS TO BE MANY GREAT APPS.
IF A FEW APPS DOMINATE, NOSTR LOSES.
It’s possible that ODELL is mistaken here.
One feature present in many networks is that the distribution of their nodes follows a Pareto distribution (from Vilfredo Pareto, a 19th-century economist). It’s quite possible that apps linked to a network like NOSTR also follow a Pareto distribution, meaning there will always be a small number of them dominating and a large number struggling to survive. “Many small events coexist alongside extraordinarily large ones” (Barabási, 2010, p. 102). This distribution is also called a power law. This is also how the node distribution of many social networks works: there are a small number of them, or hubs, where most of the connections concentrate and which dominate the network, and a large majority with fewer connections.
Human activity is usually neither uniform nor random; it is bursty and follows a power law. In many cases, “No matter what human activity we examined, the same bursty pattern greeted us: long periods of rest followed by short periods of intense activity” (Barabási, 2010, p. 104).
YA HEAR THAT ASTRAL NINJA!
FAIR 🤔👍
Pareto distribution rules social interactions and markets. We should treat it as such instead of trying to act like it doesn't exist.
Does nostr have markets yet?
Funny, I still don't know how to add apps
"Go check others, I'm here when you come back"
This & we've to provide developers and apps some room to be creative and try new things.
Suppressing the great ones in order to give the faulty ones a chance is what communist would do.
Free market competition.
Whoever builds the first Nostr “Yo” app, wins. #UX
And ultimately lightweight utilities will be bundled in operating (systems) machines .. not big clients ..
Explains why Bitcoin is more powerful than Monero...
Nostr ain’t gonna lose– it just got started…
FOR NOSTR TO BE SUCCESSFUL THERE NEEDS TO BE MANY GREAT ZAPS.
IF A FEW ZAPS DOMINATE, NOSTR LOSES.
it's like saying linux lost because of debian and red hat, dominance is natural in markets and actually one of the most important ingredients for a healthy competition, dev's want their products to be top notch i.e penetrate the market. this is fine IMO, however wining about clients that are aggregating their feeds rather than connecting directly to reylays is not dominating, its just childish. there are many good reasons for this approach and if plebs don't like it, they are free to go, isn't that the whole point of Nostr?
What if there is one great app for 10 years then because of this nostr turns into the new internet.
I disagree, why do you think Nostr fails if there are only a few apps out there?
The benefit of having a single protocol respected by all apps still trumps what we currently have with single individual silos. If you don't like Damus, you can switch to Primal and still have your account with all your history. Try doing that with Facebook and Twitter.
Sure, EU's DMA tries to fix just that, but currently only for messaging apps, not social networks. The issue with that approach is that they're still trying to connect individual silos, each with their own proprietary architecture, which hampers interfunctionality, instead of relying on a single, shared protocol like Nostr.
Realistically speaking, if Nostr truly succeedes, people won't be using 200 Nostr apps, but more like a dozen or so, as it happens in any other domain. And that's still totally ok. Because people can at any time go ahead and create a new app that will work with the rest of the Nostr protocol if the dozen or so existing apps go all nefarious at the same time.
I've said it before, I'll say it again. People need to start working on better onboarding and marketing for Nostr if you want it to really succeed, instead of bickering over useless things or fantasies like legal contract signing apps and worrying about situations that, in the grand scheme of things, won't even matter if this thing doesn't take off the ground first and actually start having users.
The irony is that #[2] funds are flowing into several dominant Nostr applications. Other clients cannot get funding from OpenSats even if they are built. Freerse built a client that users like, and OpenSats turned a blind eye to the voices of users.
It's a settings thing.
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More powerful is a misnomer. Bitcoin can't do anything to monero and monero can't do anything to bitcoin so your point makes no sense.
While that would be great, I don't think it's true. If the software is with permissive licensing with source code, it's effectively non-scarce and thus doesn't have the character of being property and isn't owned. This may feel wrong as everything has copyright be default and is "owned". However, it can't be owned, or centrally owned, and thus isn't a risk of centralization or a risk to freedom of speech.