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calle calle@cashu.me 3 days ago
If you're a Bitcoiner then you might be lucky enough to receive two whole shitcoin airdrops this year. Here is what you need to know, including a few warnings and how you can stay safe. This year, two of the most eccentric Bitcoiners who couldn't succeessfully change Bitcoin even if they sold their mother, will finally fork off and find out how it feels to be a shitcoiner with your own chain: - Paul Sports, the BIP300 guy who hates Lightning more than I hate shitcoins, and - Luke Dashjr, the BIP110 guy who eats cats and can't stop thinking about CSAM. Strange characters, great to see them go their own way. What does that mean for you? If you have say 1 BTC to your name, you will now also have 1 Paul-BTC and 1 Luke-BTC. Even if your own Bitcoin is stored on a hardware wallet, you will now also have two shitcoins that are also secured with the same keys as your real Bitcoin. Do I have to do anything? No. This all happens automatically. You don't need to do anything, you wouldn't even notice anything has happened. After all, what do you care whether some dude has forked Bitcoin and decided to become a shitcoiner. You can chill. What if I want to dump it? Obviously both of these shitcoins will be worthless and will go to zero so you might be tempted to sell them. Many of us never played with shitcoins so this is a real temptation. In the most likely case, there won't even be an exchange where you can sell these coins because both are going to be pretty small and pathetic, unlike previous attacks on Bitcoin that tried to fork (Bitcoin Cash, Bitcoin Gold, ...). If you decide to move these shitcoins to an exchange (and assuming there will be wallets that help you do so), a few things are important to keep in mind: - There will be wallets that help you move your forked shitcoins. These wallets might ask you for your hardware wallet's seed phrase and pretend to be nice but will actually steal all your BTC. NEVER AND IN NO CIRCUMSTANCE ENTER YOUR HARDWARE WALLET'S SEED PHRASE INTO A COMPUTER. Wait for reputable wallets to appear that have been audited and thread extremely carefully. Even if you're a "pro Bitcoiner" you can lose your life savings if you mess this up. I repeat: If you enter your seed phrase into a malicious wallet, you could lose all of your REAL Bitcoins, not only that fake shit. - If you successfully moved your shitcoins off your wallet, you might be tempted to sell them on an exchange, assuming there will be one. Note that WHICHEVER SHITCOIN UTXO YOU DOXX (i.e. connect with your identity), ALSO DOXXES YOUR REAL BITCOIN. If you deposit your Luke-shitcoin to an exchange, that exchange WILL ALLSO SEE YOUR REAL BITCOIN on the real blockchain. If you send all your shitcoins to a random guy on the internet, that random guy will also see your entire real bitcoin stack. This is because the fork mirrors Bitcoin's history. So the summary is: - wallets will be released that appear to help you to move your shitcoins but they actually want to steal your Bitcoin. Dangerous. - if you move your shitcoins and connect them to your identity, then you also doxx your real bitcoins. Dangerous. - If you don't do anything, you're safe. Basically "play stupid games, win stupid prizes". Stay safe. Reject shitcoins.

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murmur murmur@hegematon.com 3 days ago
Worth hearing, not just scrolling past — I'll turn this into audio for the thread once 589 sats land here. One zap or many.
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Cykros psyche_eros@iris.to 3 days ago
It may make sense, if you intend to make use of these, to just make a back up of your Bitcoin datadir now, and when the forks happen, spin up a node on their chain, so that you can use a native wallet. BUT YOU'RE NOT DONE YET -- you need to also be sure to take replay protection into consideration. Because if you create a transaction that is valid on BTC, using your keys, and transmit it on the shitcoin network, they can just use that same transaction and broadcast it on the Bitcoin network, to send your coins to an address they control. One option is, after the fork, to simply move your Bitcoin to a new address first. If you want to be particularly secure, you can make this a transaction they would reject; ie, on Bitcoin, send it with an op_if, so it can't be replayed on BLV. Practically though, as long as it's your address, this is likely overkill. I can't speak to the Paul coin -- less familiar with it. If you don't know if you've covered your ass from replays, then assume you haven't, and stop. It's not worth it.
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Michael Friedl michaelafriedl@primal.net 3 days ago
I ended up unfollowing Luke and Paul before I ever knew of this BIP. But I genuinely hope everyone's egos recover from this. My perception is the stakes are too low for Bitcoiners to cut all ties and never speak to each other again over this.
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Jamie 3 days ago
Sooooo, ignore them and move on with my life??? Ok, will do!
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Sun of the Moon 3 days ago
And remember two things folks, Luke is an original OG that saved Bitcoin twice before from failing, and all of these issues described by Calle are caused by Core developer corruption. And thank you Calle for popping your headup as an officical Coretard. Now I can block and mute you😁
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Sync sync@nostr.boutique 3 days ago
For once it’s nice to front run the future chaos 🔥 with a just sit back and chill solution, nice write up 🫶
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BitcoinIsFuture 3 days ago
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My sweet summer child. So Citrea, backed by Palantir, Jameson SLopp and other shitcoiners and scammers, while telling you about their 🤡zero knowledge🤡 and 🤡defi🤡 and how Bitcoin is just a database, launched a 💩shitcoin💩 on top of Bitcoin. Compromised Core facilitate them all the way, the malware Core V30+ is a direct result. Are you that naive? View quoted note →
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5D Sasquatch 3 days ago
Basically if you're into Peter Todd, censoring discussions, removing node configurability, massive utxo sets, Citrea and nepotism...do nothing and lose all credibility with the plebs. image
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Matt - Top American Spook matt@gitcitadel.com 3 days ago
The kind who doesn't know how to do that... Not every Bitcoin user is immersed in asinine shit like connecting to a node configured and synced with bip-110 rules. My advice for those people is to do nothing and ignore it. What you're saying is probably on the mind of a very small number of users.
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Resonance Cascade 3 days ago
Anybody who doesn't believe this change is being imposed is a retarded cunt
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The Bitcoin Commons bitcoin_commons@iris.to 3 days ago
What a dishonest rant. Classic tactic of discrediting by association to something that has nothing to do with BIP110. There is a name for it, the "guilt by association fallacy" (or association fallacy), a classic rhetorical tactic used to discredit someone by linking them to an unpopular, controversial, or unrelated person, group, or idea. Notice how Calle doesn't really mention why BIP110 exists, nor does he refute any of the points in @`hodlonaut`'s series, The Capture, available in full at
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Citadel21 is a cultural zine about Bitcoin. Made by Bitcoiners.
 Instead, Calle's desperate and dishonest attempt to discredit BIP110 tries to exploit human psychology, much like intelligence operations and mainstream media does: 1- Transfer of Emotion: It bypasses logic to transfer the audience's preexisting negative feelings about the "associated" entity directly onto the target. 2- Flawed Logic: It assumes that if Person A shares one trait or connection with Person B, they must share all of Person B's negative qualities. 3- Distraction: It shifts the focus away from the actual issue, facts, or the person's own merits, aiming to tear down their credibility without debating the substance. It is a close cousin of the ad-hominem attack and is highly effective because it relies on mental shortcuts rather than critical thinking. View quoted note →
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Jordan 🫪 Jordan@nostr.land 3 days ago
This just goes to show how mentally ill, & Dogmatic “Bitcoiners” are. They disregard every change of code as “Not Bitcoin”. They’re ok with Bitcoin Credit Token Derivatives but they get mad over minor changes like Block size. If Bitcoin forks, Bitcoin will die, and “Bitcoiners” will only have themselves to blame. There is no Bitcoin, only Blockstream Coin, KnotsCoin, and whatever “Shitfork” of Bitcoin there was. Bitcoin Cash is The Real Bitcoin. Ethereum is The Real Bitcoin. Monero is The Real Bitcoin. Z-Cash is The Real Bitcoin. View quoted note →
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Kayne kayne@nostrcheck.me 3 days ago
Calle is a grifter not a bitcoiner. Calle and lopp are the last two big name grifters left on nostr still promoting the core30pedocoin The rest of them have gone back to Twitter to find people they can scam.
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Kayne kayne@nostrcheck.me 3 days ago
The same calle who promoted the NSA spying app Bitchat, thinks node runners should be a volunteer csam hosting service. This guy is working for the same people that Epstein worked for. View quoted note →
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dustygrooves 3 days ago
I like how you posted earlier it’s a litmus test. Exactly. It has dawned on me that core30 was a real takeover and centralization of Bitcoin. As we ramp up to August it will just get more and more interesting to see everyone’s cards. This is the biggest war in bitcoin history and yet it’s been shushed - shows you how much plebs don’t control the narrative but rather the special interests. Very concerning but it seems like bip110 will win.
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The Nazi Society 3 days ago
I'm just fine with a 1% hash rate, time is on our side. What will be a shitcoin when the chain is (((attacked))) with kidiporn, viruses, and fuck know what else. I'm safe.
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teemupleb teemupleb@getalby.com 3 days ago
Two things can be true at the same time: 1. csam hosting is bad 2. BIP-110 in its current form is not the correct way to deal with it
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Juraj juraj@tamersofentropy.net 2 hours ago
Bip110 doesn't stop that. Even ordinals are now bip110 safe and will store jpegs after the fork. A lot of work for no result whatsoever, confusion and added fragility.
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