Crazy how many bitcoiners don’t actually believe in the free market.
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Crazy how podcasters just make wild generalized statements.
I do not think it is wild or generalized. It is a specific observation about a specific subset of a group of people.
What are you actually saying though? Be brave. Say what you need to say.
I'm slow. Who what where when why? And sometimes 'y'. Wait. No for real, what's this about?
Bitcoin doesn’t care
Ahh, so like posting "Women keep leaving their shoes all over the place in my house."
Totally reasonable and not conflating a small subset of specific women with a majority or even a plurality of them. Clear as mud.
Based on my note, who do you think I am talking about?
Correct. Neither does the free market.
I literally have no clue. I have yet to meet a Bitcoiner that doesn't want or believe in, a free market.
Idk, I'm just done with this stupid crap, I'm going to just stop updating while everyone fights over bullshit. I dont need core devs protectionism as an excuse to take away configurations, and I dont need a priest to save me from CP on the blockchain while telling me that disobeying my government is a sin.
I agree. Regulations suffocate the exchange of capital and ideas.
I don’t think they realize they’ve never had one.
Crazy how the only jobs for anarcho-liber-teerians tend to be talking and organizing conferences. Neither of which entail actually learning economics or computer science; just pretending to have.
Yeah its hard to accept that the free market has demand for monero. Bitcoin only is not what the market says
They do that at my house too.
Crazy how much of free-market believers, do not believe in Bitcoin!
Or in the fee market
Curious how many still confuse free market with ideological control. A truly free market accepts competition, choice, and even divergence — including among bitcoiners.
Competition and rule of law. Nowhere in there does it say anything about a “free market”.
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DO IT.
We call that a straw man. It typically comes from the side losing the debate.
Free market is competition, not a handful of devs making the only implementation of what was supposed to be an open protocol deciding which setting you' plebs are no longer allowed to change.
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Maybe it’s your definition of free market 🤷♂️
So you are saying its a good thing to have a choice of a different client?
Yeah I obviously think choice is great and people should run whatever they want.
But in this case I was referencing the free market of Bitcoin transaction fees.
Run whatever node software you want 👍
There are no sides. Unless you have different *consensus* rules from me, then we are both bitcoiners.
I’m not debating you. I think you should run whatever node software you want.
At the end of the day, transaction fees are the ultimate filter and Bitcoin is going to be just fine.
Lots of miners in this category.
If they would, they would own some Monero, too.
YES.
Even crazier how some will criticize self-sovereignty and continue failing to clearly define the word "censorship" so they can use it as a magic spell.
Yep. Nostr is the true signal. And it shows you how earlier we are.
What's stopping competition?
Crazy how many people misinterpret your sentence.
Nothing, that's the beauty of the free market. #MBDA
Stop calling them bitcoiners please😂
Fees are not a panacea. Those who can pay the most fees, maybe the same entities profiting from using Bitcoin as a JPEG dumpster. If not for Taproot and thus the inscriptions hack, we wouldn't even need to have this conversation. Bitcoin is money. Shitcoins are for monkeydickjpegs.
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i think bitcoiners pretty much do believe in free markets. maybe you are surrounded by pseudo bitcoiners bubble?
Those are just fiat maxis then who call themselves “bitcoiners”
What do you mean by that?
Where in this world do we actually have "free markets"? Only thing I can think of are black markets and off the books p2p local exchange and barter
When the Bitcoin market becomes free, I hope yachts will become a common mode of transportation—that would truly be a monumental leap forward for our era! I can't wait to cruise around in my secondhand yacht and pay for things with Bitcoin!
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What if one of the parties paying the "free market" transaction fees has an endless money printer? Would those fees be a deterrent from implanting something that can be used against the network later?
Think long about this from the perspective of the owner of that money printer, since this network would be a threat to that power and monopoly
Even with unlimited fiat, trying to attack Bitcoin through fees would just expose how much of a threat it is to their monopoly.
Which is why markets still don’t believe in bitcoiners
People finding Bitcoin is the outcome of free market choice. If people start to fear an aspect of it, that same free market gives them the option to exit or build alternatives.
I know: virtually all nodes set dustrelayfee > 0. Crazy.
I would ask the same, seems an indirect note to someone or some group of people
Freedom is not the ability to do what you want, but the ability to say no to what you do not want.
There are sides.
You’ve chosen freedom without responsibility. I’ve chosen freedom through responsibility.
I can steel man your position: people are going to do harm either way. We cannot stop them outright. So we should employ a change that reduces the harm they cause by redirecting it away from the most valuable area of the network.
It’s a logically weak position, hence your attempt to straw man.
Mining is hyper competitive... It is kinda understandable that miners want to pump the fee market and are vulnerable to this "free fee market" narrative... They SHOULD probably rather use ocean/datum more to gain a competitive edge...
The idea that the free market or transaction fees alone will prevent spam is unrealistic. You cannot compare ordinary users who just want to transfer money with actors who treat the blockchain as a global billboard. What looks expensive for a simple payment may seem cheap when it buys worldwide, permanent advertising.
I assume he is mistakenly referring to knots users. Correct me if I’m wrong.