it’s very difficult to acknowledge alcohol, caffeine, and nicotine as poisons
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Anything consumed in extremes is dangerous to the the human body.
Water for instance: too much and its bad, too little and its bad.
I for one stay in the middle ☕️
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They're all substances to be used or misused. They have no soul or character and are not intrinsically evil. But yes by definition they are all poison.
Since March I've stopped 2/3. Only caffeine left, though it will be the most challenging imo.
They are definitely poisons but y'know what...take the nicotine, take the booze...try and take my coffee though and there's gonna be arguments.
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Sure try it. But I would assume its about the food you eat and when, your sleep patterns, workouts, not the caffeine.
Made from plants so it’s fine - everything in moderation 🫂
"All things are poison, and nothing is without poison; the dosage alone makes it so a thing is not a poison."
— Paracelsus, 1538
yeah, no idea
constantly tired tbh
It has a greater harm profile on society than every other drug, by far! Even counting opioids!
There ain’t a healthy amount of alcohol at all! None of it is the healthiest!
Caffeine has negative effects on your sleep cycle. It can lead to the development of anxiety both due to its consumption and because it can cause you to sleep less. Additionally, its consumption can also lead to tachycardia and hypertension. Considering that heart attacks and heart failures are the leading causes of death worldwide, I'd stay away from caffeine.
Never been a nicotine fan, but quitting coffee and alcohol is among the best decisions of my life. I actually took a page out of Svetski's book - he's a true pro at recognizing and staying away from all of that.
Stay oxidated 🤙🏻🤙🏻🙃
Do you lift weights & play a sport?
Everything, literally everything can be poisonous or harmful. On the other hand we are entitled to choose our own personal poisons.
nope
Alcohol in moderation is much better than no alcohol. Caffeine wrecks me with it's withdrawals, have to keep consumption light. Nicotine I enjoy so much, can't explain why but know it's evil.
Why would your body require and store energy for longer if you dont show any additional necessity for it?
It definitely isn’t, its just tasty. Like pussy and mango
fair 🤔
Caffeine is a fat burner, btw..
actually that has been proven to be false, i would imagine it's the opposite, i mean the alcohol part
never consumed alcohol in my life so far
If it's synthetic it could be, but the natural one present in coffee and other stuff ain't a problem, you need really high dosage to get something like that.
And you have extensive material about the benefits it carry, there's not a single health benefit on alcohol or nicotine, putting the 3 together is, in my view, non sense.
The acknowledgement is the easy part imo. Abstaining is the difficult part for most. Yolo.
I didn't mean "healthy", I mean't "not a poison". A drop of Ricin on your tongue would kill you, a drop of beer would not.
Proof of Work or become a limp dick zombie.
The human body is meant for work, male & female.
with you on caffeine. hard one to go without
the others though socially promoted have obvious and near immediate adverse effects
There are studies in caffeine and sleep disorder, anxiety disorder, addiction and cardiovascular issues around. So it’s quite subjective!
My comment had nothing to do with caffeine, but rather blaming energy levels on caffeine or lack thereof.
Most people I see who are trying to figure this out are doing everything but lifting weights & playing a sport.
Doesn't even have to be heavy weights, just something consistent over time.
🫂 I check my blood levels regularly. A deficiency can also lead to fatigue. But there can be many reasons
fun fact, just got the results back from the blood work that i got done yesterday 💜
Fear is the mind killer. Live your life.
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Ok and there are plenty of them telling that it delays dementia and Alzheimer's, prevents cancer, and much more. If it's a normal intake you won't have a problem, putting it alongside alcohol and nicotine is my issue.
And mostly how much you take for then to be a problem, if it's your normal coffee consumption you'll get the benefits and none of the damages.
You’re young to have high cholesterol. Look at your diet more closely. It might be the answer to your fatigue. You might just not be eating right for your specific body.
There might be people with any healthy caffeine threshold! Is quite individual!
i don’t have a diet tbh
i just eat whatever
hard to know what’s causing it
What you eat is your diet
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oh, huh, okay 🤔
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For 99% of people that drinks coffee there's no problem, that's not saying that someone could have issue with that, but calling it poison it's extreme, that's my only point. If it makes you feel bad don't use it. 🫂💜
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everything is poison, if the dose is too high
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Caffeine disrupts circadian rythm, so it's valid to "blame caffeine" on low energy levels.
As they say, "one man's poison is another man's..."
Reminder all chemotherapy is straight-up poison.
Also sugar.
Stimulants have been part of human culture since the dawn of time.
The secret lies in the dose.
Thx. Might be a mini project for the Autumn.
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Moderation ✨
n weed
I disagree. Many people see them that way.
The vaccine is safe and effective
The mind will find a way to rationalize the use of your favorite. Just this one time...😬
Yes, it is very difficult because culturally it is accepted. Same for war...
Just because they're poisonous doesn't mean they can't be therapeutic.
Coffee drinkers have a much lower incidence of certain diseases like gallbladder disease.
Coffee is also known to have other vascular tissue benefits.
Moderate alcohol drinking is an effective social intoxicant. Not as safe as weed. Or vaping nicotine. But much safer than fentanyl. Or street drugs.
From the standpoint of our biochemistry, all medicines are poisons that can be therapeutic. Depending on how they're used.
For example, antibiotics are strong poisons. That's why they killed germs, and sometimes kill people.
So what I'm saying is that many poisons have a therapeutic benefit. But less is usually more when it comes to a therapeutic dose..🤔🙂
Ya damn skippy ⚡️ 1 bite make smile 2 bite make fat.
I'm not just talking about a health point of view. Drinks with friends is just good for the soul.
I'm about to chug one of these mixed with tequila while smoking a fat stogie. Am I doing this right?
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Cafeína é um ultraje!
Managed to quash alcohol and nicotine, but caffeine?! Not poison 🤣☕🪖✊
Likely
Anything in excess can be harmful. The key is to maintain moderation.
Key words:
High. Quality. Coffee.
consumption without reverence mutates to toxicity.
I'm more in the moderation perspective. External crutches/dependencies are something to be kept to a minimum, rather find things that help you maintain a healthy equilibrium over amplifying something. The energy coffee gives you now is debt that your body will have to repay later.
Speaking from the perspective of do as I say not as I though 😅
Do as I say not as I do*
Not for me. I’ve been drinking it for decades and sleep fine and it makes me feel great. I wouldn’t never deprive myself or others of the benefits of caffeine.
would never*
Their substance influences the body in a negative way and mutates cells slowly. Wheres the difficulty?
Add grass to the list... All three are naturally produced.
I think most people admit it for nicotine, but it’s very hard to get off that shit. I’ve been trying for a year now and everything from patch, gum and even therapy. Nothing works on me, maybe I don’t want it enough lol
i quit grass and it was as easy as getting busy doing something
i smoked daily for 7 years and then i open my own business
i get busy and dont even think about it unless i see people talking about it
its been almost 6 months already
get your mind busy with something that takes up your time and you enjoy doing
not something that will stress you or that you are waiting for it to end
or as nootropics... (poison is the dose)
So is the Sun - the harbinger of life!
“Toxins” may be a more accurate descriptor no?
…….??? Crack got your tongue?? I’m joking by the way don’t sue me
Still love my caffeine #coffeechain
Bleh
Should we? 🤭
Is there actually very good evidence for nicotine being that bad for people? My understanding is that a lot of the damage is done by the delivery mechanisms.
Also, remember the old adage: "The dose makes the poison." There's no need to become a clave of hypochondriacs: we're weird enough already.
These are basically poisonous foods for chronic suicide.
Self-loving people should stay away from these.
Caffeine is the only one I consume regularly and I'm not convinced it's particularly bad for you.
I never had a difficult time calling these things poison. The difficult part is not poisoning myself 🥲💯😂🫂
Drinking often can hurt the liver. People who smoke will get liver cancer and lung cancer. This is the truth. Caffeine is a kind of stimulant.
Drinking coffee at night can affect the quality of sleep.
I'm guessing anything addictive goes on that list ? And if not severely damaged, the body gives second chances - lungs regenerate from 3 months to 1 year, liver can repair itself in a month, sugar detox helps with insulin resistance, and
wait a minute. why is caffeine poisonous ?
Decaf?
I drink coffee and I sleep fine. Cars also kill but we still drive them.
caffeine free for 1 month now. 😀
3 weeks on a healthy diet can change gut biome. 💜
The body has an incredible regenerative ability. That is why when the “experts” said COViD does irreversible damage I just shrug and think “not an expert” 💜
Anything to extreme can be poisonous even exercise
And weed.
as an addict who uses coffee as a coping mechanism, i agree with this. that why coffee is so loved among us addicts.
Caffeine is an addictive substance and negative effect to our body. We have to use more to keep same effect’s level when we took it regularly.
In Asia, We don’t drink more coffee as same as western people thus it do not look poisonous problem for our.
Alcohol, absolutely, beyond all reasonable doubt, is a drug that poisons people, and the illusion is that by drinking small amounts of it you are "OK."
Nicotine is an interesting one - you don't realize it really is a sort of drug until you do something like inhale while smoking a cigar or chew tobacco.
Caffeine... Man, I don't know. Chocolate has caffeine in it... and I just can't think of chocolate as this unnatural, poisonous thing to eat. I also think that while caffeine dependence may be a real and undesirable thing, we are not really at a point where we can consider caffeine as functioning as a drug, and thus I do not think of it as a poison.
Not to mention addictive poisons.
I used a nicotine product to protect rose bushes . Its poisonous properties work almost instantly w insects.
Absolutely, alcohol and nicotine can be considered poisons to the body when used excessively it's essential to be aware of their potential harmful effects and make informed choices for a healthier lifestyle
I can’t acknowledge caffeine as a poison - but alcohol and nicotine, definitely.
The dose makes the poison
no comment on thc. I likes
You're right that it can be challenging for some people to acknowledge substances like alcohol, caffeine, and nicotine as poisons, especially because they are commonly used and socially accepted. However, it's important to remember that the term "poison" is often associated with the dose and context in which a substance is used.
Alcohol: While moderate alcohol consumption may not be harmful to most adults, excessive and heavy drinking can lead to a range of health issues, including liver damage, addiction, impaired judgment, and accidents. In high doses, alcohol can indeed act as a poison to the body's systems.
Caffeine: Caffeine is found in coffee, tea, energy drinks, and various other products. While low to moderate caffeine intake can provide a temporary energy boost and even some health benefits, excessive consumption can lead to issues like insomnia, nervousness, jitters, increased heart rate, and dependency. Extremely high doses of caffeine can also be toxic and even fatal.
Nicotine: Nicotine is found in tobacco products such as cigarettes, cigars, and smokeless tobacco. It is a highly addictive substance that can lead to serious health problems, including lung diseases, heart diseases, and cancers. Nicotine poisoning can occur from consuming too much nicotine in a short period, which can result in symptoms like nausea, vomiting, increased heart rate, and in severe cases, seizures.
It's crucial to approach these substances with awareness and moderation. Recognizing their potential risks and understanding the effects they can have on the body and mind is important for making informed decisions about their use. If you're struggling with substance use or addiction, seeking help from healthcare professionals, support groups, or counselors can provide valuable guidance and assistance.
The harmfulness of alcohol, caffeine, and nicotine can vary depending on several factors, including the quantity consumed, individual susceptibility, and the context in which they are used. It's important to note that comparing these substances directly can be complex due to their different mechanisms of action and effects on the body.
Here's a general overview of the relative harms of these substances:
Alcohol: Heavy and excessive alcohol consumption can lead to a wide range of health issues, including liver damage, addiction, cardiovascular problems, impaired cognition, and accidents. Long-term alcohol misuse is associated with a high risk of chronic diseases and can significantly impact both physical and mental health. Alcohol's impact can be substantial, especially when consumed in large amounts or over extended periods.
Nicotine: Nicotine is highly addictive and is a major component of tobacco products, which are responsible for a significant number of preventable deaths due to various health complications, including lung diseases and cancers. While the direct effects of nicotine might be less immediate compared to alcohol, the addictive nature of nicotine and its association with tobacco products make it a significant public health concern.
Caffeine: Caffeine is a stimulant that, when consumed in moderate amounts, can provide a temporary energy boost and enhance cognitive function for many individuals. However, excessive caffeine consumption can lead to negative effects such as insomnia, increased heart rate, and nervousness. While caffeine does not carry the same long-term health risks as heavy alcohol consumption or nicotine addiction, it can still have negative consequences when consumed in large quantities.
It's important to remember that each individual's response to these substances can vary, and what might be harmful to one person may not be as harmful to another. Additionally, the cultural, social, and legal contexts surrounding these substances can influence their perceived harm and acceptability. Making informed decisions about their use and being aware of their potential risks are essential steps in maintaining a healthy lifestyle. If you have concerns about your use of any of these substances, seeking advice from medical professionals is recommended.
No, the difficult part is quitting - especially if you have past trauma
That crutch is oh so comforting for a night
Like a hooker
“A tool isn’t just a tool. She expresses a previous process.”
I preferred stopping drinking anything coffee related altogether.
Yeah but you can also drive in the opposite lane, probably you will be fine, until a truck obliterates you 😂
Kidding aside, my family has a history of cardiac illness, my dad died when he was barely 47, my granpa ar 73 and my great granpa at 54, all for cardiac problems.
So I'm doing everything in my power to stop this vicious cycle 😅
I think the classification is in the eye of the observer. If one optimizes for longevity or awareness, those substances are poisonous. If you’re driving a truck with 30 people in the back and you try to stay awake for the last hour, caffeine may be a vital substance.
I embrace the poison. Whenever I offer someone a drink I ask the question "what's your poison? "
Poison is not a very helpful category. Oxygen is poison too. Sugar is not, but it’s killing you.
anything can be poisonous
imo most people realize alcohol and nicotine aren’t good for them…caffeine, not so much
I prefer plant medicines (psychedelics) to toxins/poisons...
When they cause injury, harm, or death they are poison. I did it!
^ tho moderation is a factor
I think most people now do see nicotine as poison. Alcohol is less socially acceptable among younger generations in my area too these days. Agree on the others though.
difficult for who?
No need to live too long. Live a little.
& a faithful friend is the medicine of life ✨
The dose makes the poison. And many people do choose to poison themselves with these substances.
*Sips coffee*
I'm not sold on labelling caffeine or nicotine as poisons. Alcohol - yes, for sure. Caffeine and nicotine I see mostly just as stimulants.
Andrew Huberman says nicotine is good for you in small doses. Same goes for caffeine.
I see no poison, but everything in moderation.
when I say "alcohol is a shitcoin.", I don't judge the drinking itself.
I only judge the legitimization and glorification of it.
please, just INTEND to free yourself from it.
once you proactively work on your way out of addiction and understand it's mechanisms, you transform all life areas.
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Maybe balance the coffee with alcohol? Irish Coffee?
Historically approved?
Or is that cheating?
I'm watching this new exorcist movie on Netflix. Russel Crowe was offered sugar for his coffee and he said something like the sugar is the devil something. What was that exact quote?
This is an incorrect stance. It's been half a millennium already since Paracelsus determined that "The dose makes the poison".
How much does Jack weigh? 70 kg? Drink 6 liters of water in a couple of hours, and there's a 50% chance that you die of water intoxication.
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Tru dat
They’re both poisons and powerful medicines at the same time
Actions are deeper acknowledgements than words
Get behind me satan 😇
Caffeine is [redacted]
That's easy, try acknowledging that vegetables are poison.
I'd add sugar as well, though I see many people talk about 'dose make the poison'
How many people are calculating their amount of sugar, caffeine, nicotine, or alcohol use on a given day? Are they optimizing for minimal inflammation?
The driving factor for the use is pleasure, and usually in a mixed ratio optimized for taste. Studies talked about in a book that I think is called 'Salt, Sugar, Fat', they inform us on a human tendency to not feel satisfied when the right ratios are present (e.g. chocolate bars, candy, potato chips, fast food, etc.)
I have alcohol and caffeine from time to time but I drink whiskey sodas and black coffee. Its not just for utilitarian purposes, my tolerance for sugary food and drink has waned from being on a low/no carb way of eating for quite some time.
Now agreeing that 'the dose make the poison' its also important to have a multivariable analysis of the situation. What is the historical data on these drugs and their user base? How long have they been in use? What is the cultural environment around their usage?
Believing the argument being made is a form of hormesis on a dietary level is helpful, lifestyle hormesis is great, but dietary hormesis may not be the best route to go in the long run.
The likelihood for someone to take an extremely long ice baths or sauna sessions, and keep on doing it for a sustainable time period, is low. I'd never tell someone to not lift weights if they've never picked up a thing in their life. I'd be comfortable to say, "Hey, if you haven't had [name the poison], best not to make regular use of it if you want to live an optimally healthy life."
There may be benefits to having caffeine here and there and the same goes for alcohol or nicotine, but the act is futile without acknowledging that prolonged use is detrimental to overall health.
Alcohol, caffeine, nicotine, and sugar are not just poisons due to their inflammation and other health impact factors, they may be the most detrimental due to their acceptability and slow burn destruction of the human body over a lifetime.
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Monks in the past were able to live off beer because it was safe to drink compared to the water.
I’m really struggling with caffeine. Cannot kick coffee and it’s almost become a requirement for daily happiness. Do not like the side effects though. Any tips?
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I agree on that, still doesn't make it a poison though.
I am pretty sure that the modern industrial revolution was fueled as much and probably more by caffeine as by fossil fuels.
I think tobacco in its organic form wasn't quite so evil as it became when the marketers got a hold of it and juiced up the addictive qualities.
As for alcohol, for me it's over four decades in the rear view mirror, so I will leave those who are younger or more jubilant to speak to it.
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Ever gonna do dark roast?
tobacco was introduced to humanity as a way to pray. moderation is key.
with alcohol a little is medicine, a lot is poison. fruit alcohol made with love makes incredible tinctures.
even caffeine had medicinal properties.
if you want to look at poisons go to western medicine. there are plenty there.
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A person who develops fatal arrhythmias due to caffeine consumption might have a different opinion.
mcdonalds is poison, there is nothing medicinal about that shit.
addiction is the main issue and you can get addicted to anything, exercise, social media, sugar, food, gambling etc.
moderation is key. except for mcdonalds, avoid that shit like it is the plague.
vapes are poison. and their lithium batteries are toxic. you should not put them in rubbish bins. a vape caused a rubbish truck to catch fire in my country. whoever invented them is an imbecile, at least cigarettes are child proof, you have to light them, a toddler can pick up a vape and have a puff and the candy flavours are totally designed to target children. over 50% of my sons intermediate vapes (11-13 year olds). they are not the answer to quitting smoking.
a wise person once said to me "if you tell yourself it is bad for you it will be bad for you, if you tell yourself it is good for you, it will be good for you"
our minds are powerful things.
It’s all about sugar. It’s was started all this bullshit 😂
Caffeine is an adictive and enhancing drug, but for sure not a poison
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Black coffee tastes good. And you can't really consume it a lot. Mixing those substances with other ingredients is probably the real poison.
Try black coffee without anything added.
If it's to my liking I'm about to become a member brah!
I agree, everything in moderation.
He didn't include it, ☺
A delicious one
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Well, I can't enjoy political debates without alcohol, so IDK what to tell ya.
Dosage is what makes it medicine of the poison
Alcohol is easy for me to acknowledge that way. Nicotine and caffeine less so…
Don't forget sugar
So with social media.
All things in moderation.
Even harder is acknowledging that addiction is a state of mind and anything outside of what we have on the inside naturally can feed it if we let it.
Everything has a toxicity level. Even water.
Tell that to my grandmother, she's almost 90 and smokes every day since her 20s. She's MD.:)
... even moderation
The dose makes the poison ... or medicine
Our relation with poisons holds many paradoxes. Is the response of our body that holds the key for developments to take place. The make it or brake it kind of scenario. The symbol for medicine holds much wisdom. From the dna, to the poison that enhances awareness to the ego mind emerging out of the body therefore taking responsibility over one’s own healing. See amanita. That is poison. Spices, are poisons. But i believe we can program our bodies to immunity. The real issue is addiction. Which is emotional hunger, all these “orphans” raised by the system, reaching out to grab and hold something in their hand in order to stand in self. We are emotionally crippled attached to things in the outside world. Our greatest addiction is this gadget, this pandora s box, keeping us entertained and distracted. The only real poisons are toxic(negative and stuck) emotions. Ours and others. That s the big question. How can we transcend that as a mass? When the profit based system exploits weaknesses?
Why caffeine?
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Thank you friend, i am on Damus so i guess no zapping allowed here:)
I got rid of nicotine addiction almost a decade ago. I still occasionally have a few drinks with a good company and a cup of coffee every morning. I aknowledge fully the addiction of these poisons, though still struggle.
Which ones are you dealing with @jack
Alcohol was humanity’s first hard drug
yep