Tbf, I don't know. No one has been able to explain to me in simple terms why its special and why I should care, so it may, or may not be retarded, but its proponents are definitely socially retarded.

It's purpose is to provide lols to nostr

Never

change it to "CP" apparently dats cool 👍 dickmaster funny guy 🤣 you know i love you right? #coffeechain ☕️

Is the protocol retarded or is the founder? Serious question. Don’t know much about the technicals of pubkey.

Well I tried to play with it and it asked for a phone number then checked the code and it was full of hard coded hosting to Google cloud so yea

LOL

Nostr devs like most bitcoin devs are sewer dwellers, as it turns out.

Both, it appears

The only reason you dont block him is you fear he has something of value and his claims of superiority indicate some actual threat. Those fears are unwarranted.

Amen to that!

Pubky is not a problem or pain we need to fix, let’s find something else

Even if everything else is fixed in the future, I don't see how they get around a need for dependency on their own 'Nexus'. This is where their "credible exit" promise breaks from what I can tell. You can take your home server and your key and leave, but you can't take your audience, because discovery flows through Synonym's Nexus for 99% of users. This isn't covered in their documentation or positioning. Decentralized storage is meaningless if discovery is centralized, anyone can run a relay already, or heck even a Nextcloud instance. Synonym sits at both the storage layer (with a sus g00g cloud service) and the discovery layer by default. I can't find anything public about their GCS backend either.

everyone can own own nostr app - so WAR never stops

All my homies hate NIP-50.

pubky.tech

What's the other 1%?

the 1% aware of the issues, knows how to change, and actually does change configs

You can also use app UX for discoverability. Nostr doesn't have sufficiently wide on-ramps from non-nostr applications. The closest was bitchat but that didn't even scratch the surface of what is possible.

who's the big guy in the middle?

Fiatjaf

I like his helmutloti totti toast the most

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If Bob and Alice know each other's public keys, they don't Nexus [or relays] to interact because PKARR will perpetually ensure they can locate each other's homeservers (inc. Outboxes). Initial discovery need not take place via a nexus. It could take place via mountain bike forum, an online chess club etc.

I think you've proven the point. Exchanging keys on a bike forum first or chess club means discovery is happening on external forums, not on Pubky. That's outsourcing the difficult part of the problem a social network has. Nostr discovery is plural and interchangeable from day 1. And it's honest about it.

The external forums [venues] are indeed an onramp, and means to establish the first few peers [followers/friends]. But thereafter, a Nexus server isn't required in order for users to expand their network, and crawl results [index files] can be stored locally. Relays/intermediaries are not foundational to bidirectional communication on Pubky, because peers can push and pull data directly between one another. Coupled with Kademlia (see: PKARR) this confers true decentralised mesh properties. Nostr exists inside an airlock, and uses authorities to relay data.

So you can discover friends of friends by their follow lists you already have access to. That is not organic discovery. Again, the 99% using Synonym Nexus precisely because personal crawling is a pipe dream. > Nostr exists inside an airlock and uses authorities to relay data this is backwards. Nostr relays are not "authorities." Nostr also does direct known-key fetching via NIP-65, the same property you're crediting PKARR with. anyone can host a relay and it's trivial to run. Many of us do it already. Synonym Nexus looks a lot more like an authority than thousands of independent relays do, especially when the software is set to phone home to it by default and requires changing an opaque config file. I've yet to see a UI that allows for confirming this is easily changeable. May need proof of life to end my suspicion of you being a bot.

Everything is on the DHT so can't you just have your own indexer/aggregator? Like sure even if the Nexus phones home and can filter stuff, what's stopping someone from forking and making their own for use with a client? Yes, the nexus can act as a point of censorship, but so can any Nostr client too, they just need to filter certain pubkeys or content or whatever. Even if the flagship Pubky app is censored to shit, you can still use other clients with other independent indexers, no? Please let me know your thoughts :)

>> So you can discover friends of friends by their follow lists you already have access to. That is not organic discovery. I think that is organic discovery. Pubky's elastic semantic social graphing (partly facilitated through content tags) presents a bunch of cool search-realted features; for example: If I want to buy Apples, but none of my connections sell apples, I can search the indexes cached by my connections to find the Pubky's of anybody they know who sells Apples. This does not require a Nexus server. >> Again, the 99% using Synonym Nexus precisely because personal crawling is a pipe dream. Personal crawling is a pipe dream on Nostr because implementation would need concensus, and right now there isn't even consensus to allow a user to edit or delete a post. There is no reason why mesh requires a large directory server needs to be Synonym or Nexus. > Nostr exists inside an airlock and uses authorities to relay data >>> this is backwards. Nostr relays are not "authorities." Nostr also does direct known-key fetching via NIP-65, the same property you're crediting PKARR with. anyone can host a relay and it's trivial to run. Many of us do it already. Relays are an authority insofar as the operator decides which posts to censor. PKARR doesn't only facilitate fetch; it allows for both active and passive redundancy in resource location; including other Ed25519 non-IP endpoints (reticulum, meshtastic, meshcore etc.) >> Synonym Nexus looks a lot more like an authority than thousands of independent relays do Game theory doesn't support dominating authorities in a true mesh. Thousands of independent nostr relays is a pipe dream. >> Especially when the software is set to phone home to it by default and requires changing an opaque config file. I've yet to see a UI that allows for confirming this is easily changeable. Sure; The current public beta is definitely centralised. I am judging Pubky by the architecture, not by an early release. >> May need proof of life to end my suspicion of you being a bot. Sent a DM

Thousands of independent nostr relays exist today lol. Don't like one 'authority', use others. Use pubky, I'm not saying not to. Just pointing out the issues I have with it.

You could, sure. But nobody is, nobody has, nobody plans to from what I can tell. I'd genuinely love to see one. Double plus if it ditches the default configs all pointing at Synonym's Nexus entirely and stands on it's own with no hidden configs or backends. A working, clean and simple architecture exists within the very protocol you're reading this message on.

> I'd genuinely love to see one. Double plus if it ditches the default configs all pointing at Synonym's Nexus entirely and stands on it's own with no hidden configs or backends. Architecture & design docs specify fully decentralised search and discovery. An initial single server is just a necessity of build order and I saw that @JustPav is searching for more devs (paid fully remote) so I'm sure you'll see everything on your wish list soon; all of that is on my wish list as well. The whole project is Open Source MIT licenced and random open source devs on Pubky are already contributing stuff, so I'm pretty hype. > A working, clean and simple architecture exists with the very protocol you're reading this message on. From a user perspective (n=1) I would challenge clean, and working. Either way, pubky is a significant architecture improvement.

Opinions are allowed. And appreciated. But I do think it's sketchy personally.

skepticism is very important and i appreciate your efforts to shine light on this stuff! thank you, have a good one :skype_sun:

And my axe.

Not when every hashtag on nostr looks like this

that shall we have victory over the centralized social media or authority

That’s pretty good

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