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I don’t think so … sometimes it is. We have to consistently work to seek others out IMO. Same as #IRL MAYBE 🤔.:: ima wrong 😑 nostr:nevent1qqspqr4rr9sw8ywzfvjp0l0tgjxmpmt4pzp5fdewzcl20tsf3k3tcpqpz3mhxue69uhkummnw3ezummcw3ezuer9wc44ygw3

Valid observation and question. Two quotes come to mind: 1. Pearls before swine. 2. ”To succeed in life, you need two things: ignorance and confidence.” -Mark Twain

Good or bad, Nostr rewards reputation

Sometimes for me it's about timing, like when I make a post. But a lot of the time, I feel like it's just about making a note that expresses something people are already thinking, or something people already believe, or something they're already interested in. That makes them want to reply or share what you put out.

New creators get notice very slowly. It's more of an analog to real life than most other social media.

Nothing worse than the trending posts all being “GM”

My loose opinion (no data or facts to provide) is that Nostr is mostly a monoculture. If you deviate, you either become unpopular at worst, or just unnoticed at best. There are a handful of popular people from that monoculture who came here from Twitter and now dominate. If they don't boost you, you're probably going to have a very small sphere of influence. I think this causes a feedback loop to makes it harder for Nostr to grow. Creatives who have little or nothing to do with this monoculture have little reason to come (who would they talk to), and so do the people who typically consume their creations by extension. I think the long term success of Nostr will probably require some solution that is totally separate from the Bitcoin and Nostr communities. I don't have an answer for this since most of it's early adopters and builders come from Bitcoin and adjacent topics. It's kind of the same problem. How do you attract outside builders who want to build for people who care about more than Bitcoin and Nostr? Ideally, time will relegate these topics to the fringes since most people will use them and have no idea or interest in the tech. That's not the case now, so any other topic or person is bound to get less attention unless they post things that riles that community up. And then this is a negative incentive, in my opinion, which leads to toxicity and contributes to the aforementioned feedback loop. I bet nostr:nprofile1qqsph3c2q9yt8uckmgelu0yf7glruudvfluesqn7cuftjpwdynm2gygpp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumrpdejq0mz6zs has thought about this to some degree.

This is unfortunately still too much like twitter. Everyone fawning after the famous people. I would really like clients to reorient from emphasizing specific people to emphasizing topics - this could be done by showing popular hashtags somewhere, but also limiting the number of hashtags that are shown on one note, regardless of whether a note has hashtag spam over that limit. Idk, just an idea. But I'm definitely not here for influencers, many of whom I suspect to be paid actors. Tldr a lot of engineering needed to fix Stupid.

I'd imagine the 'famous' creator may be more likely to have a knowledgeable person set them straight if their relay setup is incorrect.

It’s hard to get noticed as a new user. Follow packs will help for sure! I just added them to jumblekat. Part of the issue is pure numbers (low numbers of people here). It takes many people for a few to like and agree with some note. So you really need to post something agreeable for any decent amount of people to engage with. And since lesser know npub don’t have as many followers, this translate to practically 0 engagement. More users will alleviate this issue, but also finding your tribe or inviting them here to start all together will be super helpful.

Discovery is also an issue. It's pretty difficult to discover anything (to the extent it exists) other than the monoculture in my experience.

Part of the low numbers is probably due to core ideological positions of the tech due to the bias of those who create it. I tend to agree with those positions, but most of society simply isn't there yet, which is why I'm softer on people who still choose to use other platforms even if I'm Nostr only. Thinking back to when I chose to go onto Facebook, Instagram and Twitter (many moons ago 🤢🤮), I went because the platforms felt agnostic. It was just a place for all people to gather (before everything went crazy) around virtually any interest, topic, or relationship. Nostr feels a lot less agnostic when you get here. You're basically water boarded with Bitcoin and Nostr. And you really have to work hard to find the stuff outside that, at least from what I remember as a noob coming into the popular clients. Maybe it's improved. I doubt it. Follow packs are one thing that give people hope that things will as far as onboarding goes. But even when I search out people in other communities (music, art, etc) those people are still typically hard tied to Nostr and Bitcoin. Other topics exist mostly on a technicality from what I've seen. I've tried onboarding normies and they have no interest. I wish I could offer solutions to my perceived issues. But all I can come up with is we have to attract creators from outside our little echo chamber. It's a hard problem that will likely be solved with time. I've tried to get my favorite creators here and their concern usually is lack of an audience. I think pain is a great motivator, so I'm pushing hard when creators experience demonetization and things like that. They could simply cross post here and add a link and mention it in their other posts. I recently started selling the least effort approach to my people, but I'm just one dude.

Reminds me of the Fediverse pre 2022, then Elno bought Twitter and all hell broke lose, well it got a lot busier anyway. Not sure that any single thing can fix it, just up to each person to keep posting their interests (especially if they’re not btc/nostr interests lol) Been here nearly 2 years and only now have reached the point where I can say ‘wow, 5 people have vaguely similar music tastes to me’. However, I think the protocol remains interesting and if it takes folks another 5 years to work out Mark Zuckerberg is a bellend then so be it. Probably a bit of a drag if you’re some big YouTube/Facebacon/Ex user.

Is it hard to discover? Really? Just browse a few threads, check out a couple of profiles and you find all sorts of things. I say this as someone who only has a handfull of people in his follow list, and i discovered you, didnt i?

What's great content for some people, will be zero for others. I made this side account for classical music because I consider it beautiful, not because I want popularity, and I enjoy my few genuine followers.

Just having more reach is probably one key thing. But I think there's another... people who are really good at communicating in these types of systems, also know how and where to frame their statement... using hashtags and tagging others... stimulating the conversation.

I agree. On the YouTube point, one of the creators I like recently got demonetized temporarily and he's big enough that he has an employee. It's completely fucked him and he's unsure of the future. Yet he isnt posting to even Rumble. I don't do that work, so I'm armchair quarterbacking, but why not at least give people a way to monetize you outside of YT? Especially when they turned the faucet off completely. Shit like this is totally self-inflicted at this point. I told him I would open a Rumble link or send sats if he added it to his videos. Mentioned Nostr too. Crickets. A lot of people aren't even trying to escape the bullshit. They just complain and then do nothing. I can't really fix that. But I see that issue a lot

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Yeah that does sound troubling, I’m trying to think of other parallels in history… I can’t really. Building a following with one company like that makes you less than an employee of that company. At least employees have some sort of rights. The only option I think with YouTube is getting fully legal with them, not exactly easy for a 2 person outfit. I’ve a couple of friends in that world and they think I’m the crazy one… well they have a point there but still, I don’t get why anyone would want to sing and dance for a big corp like that, especially how easily they can rug you.

Keep moving forward

Story of my online life 😂

sadly whilst a lot of people here proud to say there is no algo, they are still consumed by the oldest thing there in the marketing book — fame! what I observed, people tend to latch on with those people when they have the buck, high following as authority figure. even without algo, it is the same mentality unless they start to realise it. 😬

Without algo, no reach if not a famous influencer, unfortunately. Quality of content obviously doesn't matter. They are pretty much among themselves. Better get used to talking to yourself, as I do. 😝

You showed up in my feed, somehow. So you’re getting some traction.

How do you compare your experience as a artist on Nostr vs the nft route? I've collected a few of your pieces on Flix. I would assume it's a little easier over there since you have their spaces and community like discord to share your work. That experience gets harder for artists as you move onto other chains and Nostr.

Every famous person was once a new person. Every known creator used to be an unknown creator.

I was just curious... it feels like a rule sometimes. There are so many talented people who make amazing things, but no one ever sees their work, or they end up living in poverty.

That’s the joy of having no algorithm. We don’t decide and we all decide at the exact time

Follow nostr:nprofile1qqs8yhutuqjxldhhxrdtkarnw2e9s9x2uenmckry4vwe0ky64hfx0mcpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhslf5xde . You can see my hand-knotted rugs there. I don't speak about myself just would like to hear plebs' opinion. What is your name? Do I know you?

im pretty sure the poor are going to eat the rich unless the rich share or the rich make a slave planet has nothing to do with me im just a guy who plans to bail when im over being a cannibal in fulfillment of the racist trope on my peeps

already is a slave planet re: incarcerated slave labor

i love how people whisper about archons tho as if it is archons and not racism and tyranny

its the demiurge or a reincarnated pharaoh not .. ya know.. united states laws

Like what?

I also keep on posting, even if there is sometimes no response at all.

If he sees it, he sees it

Yeah like I never get any zaps ⚡️ or any attention , it feel like to talking to no one , but I keep posting any way

Keep going

Thank you that , means a lot for me 🙏

Human nature. Confirmation bias. Herd mentally. Worship syndrome.