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If you haven't figured out that the rapture is coming and everything in the book of Revelation is being revealed then you are a willing participant. 2020 was a test run. --- Revelation 13:16-17 Rev 13:16-17 KJV “And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17. And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.” Shared using AndBible: Bible Study. (https://andbible.github.io) #Revelation #Bible #Gospel
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If you haven't figured out that the rapture is coming and everything in the book of Revelation is being revealed then you are a willing participant. 2020 was a test run. --- Revelation 13:16-17 Rev 13:16-17 KJV “And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17. And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.” Shared using AndBible: Bible Study. (https://andbible.github.io) #Revelation #Bible #Gospel
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Already happening if you're Australian. The laws don't take effect until December but a few social media platforms are already implementing it. After December if you're Australian you won't even be able to use YouTube without "proving" your age. They're arguing right now about whether parents should be fined or imprisoned if they let their kids use YouTube. And the crazy part, it's Americans forcing this on us.
I would bet that all the morons who use it regularly actually celebrate this "innovation" 🤷‍♂️
In most cases you could probably just tell them to screw off - unless you're registering a local business entity and accepting payments or selling ads, the worst they could do is try to add your domain to the great firewall of Britain since they have no jurisdiction over a server in another country (AFAIK). One of my sites just says "GDPR compliance: lol" (even though I'm technically in compliance with the GDPR since I don't collect any data). As long as you and your servers aren't in reach of the UK or whatever other region is trying to enforce laws I think it's safe from any needs for compliance.
Indeed! But I was thinking more in this expanding culture of control among earth's govs. I just think there is a false sense of superiority or security at Nostr because of the fact of its permissionless open nature (which is great), but the weight would be on big relay operators, and as i often point, there's no need for total censorship to have a person muted in practice, or to make it become a pariah (abandon an nsec and create a different identity) in order to be able to express something.
Exactly nothing. The idea of Nostr as a solution for governmental censorship or other forms of authoritarianism is just flawed. Nostr *does* address corporate censorship. That's a more than worthwhile goal on its own: some censors we really should worry about aren't governmental, they are massive companies. Nostr relays behind darknets might address governmental authoritarianism, but so would be pretty much anything else behind darnkets, and only as long as the government isn't trying too hard to arrest people (you can have all of the theoretical shit you want, but people live in the real world, when they make mistakes and get arrested). Fighting for democracy and fundamental human rights is a continuous effort and while part of the solution is in software technology (Nostr being a prime example of that), most of it is not. Politics is hard.
Ok, but what if the server is in the UK, where they do have jurisdiction, or other countries go crazy? The UK isn't the only place where privacy and freedom of speech are under attack in the west. The whole of the west is. As for the GDPR, it's a piece of legislation the EU mostly got right. It's not bad, for the most part it protects people when they bother to enforce it. The issue is that they didn't follow it by being consistent and continuing to strengthen the right to privacy, instead limiting it and attacking it.
It's only permissionless when it comes to companies. Governments can deny you permissions to do things by shooting you dead if they so decide. I agree the sense of superiority is partially false, when it come to resistance towards governments. But, again, taking power away from the hands of companies is already a worthwhile goal.
No protocol can solve this because if a government makes saying something illegal, one would have to never attach that statement with one's name if one is in that government's jurisdiction. But attaching one's name to a statement, in public, is part of one's fundamental human right to freedom of speech, so the issue can't truly be solved through any technical solution.
Do people who celebrate this as a win for Nostr understand that Nostr relay operators don't have any kind of immunity whatsoever? Unless we get King Charles the III himself to run a relay (he does have immunity, in the UK, in his other Kingdoms and also pretty much anywhere fucking else as a diplomat), which would be quite cool indeed (even to someone like me, who's neither a monarchist nor a British), relay operators are still subject to the law. I do get Nostr is so irrelevant at this point that governments can't possibly be bothered to give a shit about it (nor can almost anyone else). Still not a win. Governments acting in illiberal ways is not a good thing for anyone.
Oh yeah no if it's in the UK or other countries with similar laws they're screwed like anything else. I just meant in the case of something like Bluesky which is American based and forced to comply with UK laws since they're (presumably) doing business there. I know the GDPR isn't comparable to this, I just get annoyed by cookie banners lol.
What in the fresh hell is this? > The platform revealed that individuals will have several options to verify their age, such as facial scanning, ID upload, or payment card entry. Users seem to be able to opt out *for now*. If only we had a solution... View quoted note →
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