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Why? I don’t see how Fiat has to do with this.
If anything Bitcoin will only want them to accumulate more. As it’s not easy to get. Unlike fiat.
Thankfully the community is starting to push back organically. A lot of us are no longer willing to use ad supported services that abuse us because of their bad incentives.
When a service uses ads for support, the person paying them is not the consumer but rather a disinterested third party. That creates very perverse incentives, but with a neutral censorship resistant digital money services can monetize without having to rely on ad revenue.
Here’s a great example:
Alby Blog
Block Ads and Pay in Bitcoin today
NWC and WebLN allows us to integrate bitcoin payments into any app such as ABP and uBlock, two ad blockers with >80,000,000 users.
Great recommendations <3
Fiat incentivizes short term thinking which means businesses need to be focused on growth at all costs. The fastest way to grow your user base is to make the product free and sell ads. This creates as little friction as possible to get users on your site.
If you are operating on a sound money standard, you can prioritize differently. Because your money isn’t losing value every day, there isn’t an urgent need to grow your user base as quickly. Obviously, some will still choose to go with ads, but it opens up more possibilities for operating your business differently and focusing on delivering something users find valuable enough to pay for more than once.
I guess the big part I disagree with is that capitalism is focused on “hoarding” capital. It’s quite the opposite in fiat world because hoarding dollars means you’re losing purchasing power, so if you’re a business, you need to deploy those dollars as fast as possible. Where most tech companies spend is by fueling more growth via engineering/sales hires, exasperating the problem, and the need for more of your attention.
So yes, sound money standard might equal more “hoarding” but that would actually be better because you’d likely be focused on sustainable growth since your money isn’t melting away.
What have we become?
jb55
And we wonder why people are so fucked up, people building apps just want you to be hopelessly addicted so they can make more money from ads. It’s hard to find design books on optimizing human well-being. Why does our relationship with computers have to be framed around getting users hooked on crack? There is something seriously wrong with our industry.
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Let’s stop reading books that Big Media recommends and start doing our own research!!
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The Design of Everyday Things is 👌
Back in the 80s the TV 📺 was the crack, kids don't watch the box anymore... queue the Internet.....maybe in the 30s it'll be the brainchip
jb55
And we wonder why people are so fucked up, people building apps just want you to be hopelessly addicted so they can make more money from ads. It’s hard to find design books on optimizing human well-being. Why does our relationship with computers have to be framed around getting users hooked on crack? There is something seriously wrong with our industry.
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It’s funny that his second book was about managing distractions. Selling bullets and body armour.
Meditations, by Marcus Aurelius.
haha interesting…
Incentives
It is about incentives. People won't pay for it because the cost of addiction is mostly invisible, hard to acknowledge and people generally don't care about it.
Listened to the Don Norman audiobook version, great stuff
Norman and Nielsen website in general has a bunch of wonderful stuff written down.
it’s the highest ROI and least regulated business.
Sad but true. Have to admit to being a founding member (sadly not investor) of a content based company that sold online adverting space. We were early and at least focused on quality content (times have changed). Sold for £20m but this was 20 years ago.
Advertising*
because they just want our money and addicts are profitable is my guess.
Just build cli apps .. as granular as cd, ls and vi etc ..but in #nostr context and let them pipe into each other .. you don't need any book , you already have Unix philosophy to guide you :-)
nostril, nak, nostcat
Don't forget 69,420
Let’s rebrand to
Damus: the social media rehab
"it's not addictive if everyone's doing it."
huh?
quite sad
Not a book, but
Dynamicland
Incubating a humane dynamic medium.
seems cool. Long time coming, we’ll see.
NOSTR: The Anti-Crack.
jb55
And we wonder why people are so fucked up, people building apps just want you to be hopelessly addicted so they can make more money from ads. It’s hard to find design books on optimizing human well-being. Why does our relationship with computers have to be framed around getting users hooked on crack? There is something seriously wrong with our industry.
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It’s hard to do away with variable reward that keeps people hooked.
i think the trick to make people feel like they are addicted and yet they are getting real community, real service....so after a month or six months it doesn't feel like they are spending their whole paycheck on a penny slot machine, but instead, in a roundabout way, they are advancing, so yes be "slimey" but do it in a way where they are benefitting, you know?
Apps be shitcoins without the coin
Beat me to it homie
Home come jews always are up to something?
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This is probably the best UI for well being
This is your best note yet
Hooked on Nostr
money is broken. everything is because money. every heart attack is due to inflation (cheaper ingredients, seed oils to disguise higher prices)
I say don't get the jab, don't eat seed oils, don't eat sugar it causes cancer. they say "oh everything causes cancer" no. only things created after 1900 cause cancer.
I've been thinking about this a lot. How do we improve things? Maybe instead of notifications add a reminder to calendar to check stuff at certain time?
build tools & jigs, not apps
Looks like a nice read 😅
Like once every three years.
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Well. People wouldn't need the second book if he hadn't written the first book.
Talk about creating the solution to the problem you originally created.
Like selling diet books and pills after selling cake recipe books and junk food.
Thai is just one aspect of our industry that is fucked up…
https://attachments.are.na/2707173/502b4fc8a083198f97ff84f8aed9bc2e.pdf?1536958813 here is a nice pdf about designing a little printer for everyday use. Joyful read.
Toda industria entre ellas la tecnológica se dedican a satisfacer emociones humanas, y esas emociones son llevadas siempre al límite en nuestra sociedad consumista lo que termina convirtiendo en adicto a las personas. Como cualquier otra droga las aplicaciones dan satisfacción, toda una industria provee, y los desarrolladores son el distribuidor que cubre esa necesidad.
No es lo correcto pero la sociedad lo pide y solicita a gritos, y alguien siempre estará dispuesto a abastecer.
Attention is the most fundamental currency.
Go and read Cancer the Emperor of all maladies by Sid M. Don’t spread the misinformation and unscientific propaganda.
Gregory Hays Edition
In the old days, getting hooked was part of why shit was illegal.
This is what happens when attacking bullying is treated as a higher priority than attacking pedophilia in schools
This is the whole essence of capitalism.
Exploit humans to make as much money as possible.
That type of design ultimately destroys the UX which drives people to protocols like Nostr. Short term thinking.
It is a natural result of a liberal world order focused on individual will and power.
We will only resolve to do any better if we return to a society focused on human dignity, the common good, and God.
DAILY ACTIVE USERS IS AN ADDICTION MEASUREMENT
he rationalizes it this way in this interview using the Bible app as an example but also ignores all the religious people that don’t believe that using an app is a religious experience — hooked is the mantra that apps can be gateways to religious experience the subtext being divorced from reality — hence why this contradiction can exist for him
The internet, to the casual, has shrunken down so much it's more like Cable TV than ever. Just peek at the world of streaming services.
I'll stay on the seas... precisely because of that. Dont want to be part of this shit. :/
Fair. What other KPI metrics for Nostr?
Zap sent vs zaps sent, amount & value
For wallet holders …
Don’t stray from the path. Keep it real
I believe that non zappers kpi would also show in the above metric.
Because all forms of monetizing were built on advertising foundations, thus making an inevitability within the industry to capture users attention.
That until is until bitcoin, nostr, zaps and the paradigm shift on value 4 value came about.
Wait … what are we measuring? “Active users” on the protocol or per app “vendor”?
Being “hooked” on the former (decentralized protocol with no owner) is not quite as “insidious” as the latter. Maybe?
And while vendors MAY measure “active users” on their own “platform”, the nature of the open protocol kind of makes it a moot point.
Vendors are welcome to compete for addictiveness… right?
Didn't Nir have another book that was all about fixing the problem be helped make?
Found it
Only wallet holders … right?
Exactly. Cash flow is the current king. There’s no such thing as Sat Flow. Only Sat Stacking. They only care about making their debts cheaper through inflation.
It will never change.
Was it always like this? Or was it the emergence of big tech/web2.0 that askewed the landscape dramatically? I remember books in the 90s being so full of hope for the future and where the WWW and internet would take us.
Now? Everywhere I turn is people trying to make money from these 'habit forming' tendencies we're trying to get the rest of mankind hooked on. Internet needs a huge paradigm shift!
It's fiat.
Marketing and addiction are totally normalized in our societies and it’s really weird. I’m glad to be working in the nostr space to fight this.
