Nevermind, I was able to find the conversation myself quite easily using Primal's advanced search feature. Vitor explained it exactly as I described it above: View quoted note → View quoted note → He explained it rather patiently, given how hard you were going after him about it, actually. Even so, after that explanation and the conversation ended amicably, you STILL didn't get it, because you STILL think it's based on mutes. It's not. It's only based on reports, and by default it has to be 5 or more reports (not 4) from npubs you follow, before a post gets covered by a warning, which you can just tap to show anyway...

Ninguna lo que si me.descoloco algo que dijo

Dear friends, thank you for the assignments. Blessings to you.

It's not really "censorship in gloves," and your mistake was not merely the number being 5 rather than 4. You were characterizing it as being triggered when "4 friends mute the same person." Mutes have nothing to do with it. Only reports. People mute other users all the time and for all sorts of reasons. Maybe the person just talks about things they aren't interested in, or they got in a heated discussion about something and they need some time to cool off before seeing that user's notes in their feed again, or they like to read a feed of all posts from a certain relay, but there is one bot on that relay that they don't care to see. That being the case, mutes are not used as a criteria by Amethyst for hiding notes from other users. Reports are much stronger signal, because they indicate that the person is being a jerk in some way. They are posting hateful things, or always using profanity in an abusive way (i.e. "F-you!" instead of "F-yeah!"), or posting sexually explicit images or videos as replies to a discussion about the art of growing bonsai trees, or they're a reply-bot posting about the latest crypto air-drop of some new token that is guaranteed to go to the moon on every post. Can reports be abused? Absolutely, and that is why filters based on reports can be turned off. Even so, they aren't generally abused and they are very effective for helping users curate the content they actually want to see. Even when they are abused, it rarely actually affects what legitimate users see. Vitor mentioned this when he noted how many accounts have reported him, and yet he is still visible because those accounts aren't followed by any real people, only by other bots and otherwise fake npubs. It sounds like you are arguing about two different types of people who could be reporting you. The first type would be "an idiot and his gang of fake npubs" or "one anon who holds multiple accounts," and the other type would be "people on Nostr who hold multiple big accounts." In the case of the anon idiot who has a gang of fake npubs, that won't affect your visibility at all, either on Nostr as a whole, or on Amethyst in particular, just like it doesn't affect Vitor's visibility. If it is just one guy who has an issue with you and he's used his army of fake npubs to report you multiple times, then no one you care about is going to have your posts covered by a warning message, because none of them are following that idiot or his other fake npubs. Barely any real users are going to be following some anon idiot, let alone any fake npubs he's spun up. Real people with legitimately large followings are another matter. If they report you and other real people who also have decent sized followings report you, then some users who follow those large accounts may see your posts covered with a warning on Amethyst. This isn't going to happen if you are generally respectful and productively contribute to conversations, though. Moreover, it's only going to affect your visibility on Amethyst, and not on all of Nostr, unless another client has implemented a similar filter. If you want to be disrespectful in the way you engage with others, then I don't know what to tell you. People don't want to see posts that are disrespectful, and they will happily take advantage of ways to hide that kind of engagement. Now, what do you suppose most people do when they see that warning stating, "This post was hidden because it was reported by these people you follow"? Most people let their curiosity get the better of them and they tap on "Show Anyway" to see if it really deserved to be covered with a warning. If they see that the content isn't actually worth covering up, they have the option to go turn the filter off in their settings, or the next time they see the warning they'll just tap "Show Anyway" again. The point is, the individual user has control over what they see, not the people who reported you. It might be very different if Amethyst just hid the post entirely, without any hint in the UI that it existed at all. But that's not what Vitor and the other Amethyst devs did. They made it obvious that a note had been covered with a warning AND provided a quick and easy means to reveal it immediately. They even show exactly which users reported the post, so you know if the person who posted it is just being ganged up on by large accounts, or if they're just generally a bad actor.

slow af but still the best option?

slow af but still the best option?

Amethyst and NoorNote

You sure about that? View quoted note → Direct quote: "...they started some policy that if 4 friends MUTE same person non of their followers will see those persons posts." (caps for emphasis)

lucky to not be in the bad plebs list

wisp is my favorite client. ours?

Nostromo, o Flare para quien aún tenemos amigos indecisos en la red de Musk

Nostromo, o Flare para quien aún tenemos amigos indecisos en la red de Musk

What‘s your Problem with Primal? Don’t get it.

It's not a mere technical distinction, though. It is a substantive one. Mutes vs reports is not just a difference in terminology, like using the technical term "kind 1984, as defined in NIP-56" rather than just using the non-technical term "reports." It is a difference in function and purpose that makes them entirely different things. You were not being "non-technical," but rather careless in your use of terms if you said mutes but meant reports. It's also not "any 5 idiots" that can have control over what you see. It's only 5 idiots that you made the choice to follow who can cause posts to be covered with a warning (which you can readily uncover), and you can change that to be any higher threshold of idiots you want, or turn it off completely. You cannot legitimately characterize it as censorship if the end user always maintains control over what they see and can adjust it to their preference. You may not like it, because you don't have control over whether others see your posts, but that is not censorship. That's just people making decisions about how they will curate their experience on Nostr. And again, it's not just any 5 idiots who can cause your posts to be covered for other users. It has to be 5 specific users who all reported you, and are all being followed by one user, and then only that one user and others who follow the same 5 users who reported you, will see a warning in the place of your post. A warning that they will probably tap to show your post anyway, because they are curious why it was reported. This functionality is NOT an example of censorship. It is a legitimate tool that users can leverage to curate their experience so they only see the type of content THEY want to see. If it was something that could not be turned off, or could not be adjusted to the user's preference, or that the user might never be aware was happening because the post was just hidden entirely, or if it not only applied to people who use Amethyst, but to all Nostr clients, then you might have a leg to stand on. None of those are the case.

Yakihonne is the one, great UX/UI

Very nice thank You for. sharing This with us😊

Very nice thank You for. sharing This with us😊

Thanks a lot for the sats 🫶

Muchas gracias por los sats 💜

#primalwar on #nostr? #wtf

Hello, what's up?☠️ Thx4sats!💥

Decentralize nostr clients. I prefer Amethyst

Thank your for remember us this

#coracle was my daily driver for a long time. Amethyst was it also. And currently the wisp version, that still supports bunkers.

My own client

This new update makes the interface look like shit. But apparently everything is shit because I give praise to a App Store, the GitHub App Store and then the newest update made the interface look like shit and less information and details

Wait.. what happened?

what's the point of calling out that they are African? geesh.

Hahaha you are funny little dude...

Fuck off I'm done have fun wit node and fuckstr . You people are lying and creating bad vibes

No one lies here apart from you... go and over explain yourself a bit more... Node just after trusting you opened up his eyes and doesnt want anything to do with you anymore... and you are hurt AF. Node obviously moved on from you and your lies.. talking about node all the time... aaaw... I will never know what is it like when you share your nsec with the family kinda bullshit you are... you are the fakest on this platform talking about something while you were running to get back up from people that trusted you blindly so you ruin someones account ... like you slided into my dms trying to manipulate me into turning against someone who together with me saw what some people were doing here on nostr. You are full of shit as usual...

Fuck offf you don't know me and i don't want to know you .. and i hope you never going to meet me in person .. becausse you fucked upp bigg time

Hahahaha... as if your words scare me ... the level of delusion you live in is highly ridiculous... girl... 🤣✨️🥳🧚‍♀️🔥 I shall call you Latifa the Vulverina... taaaadaaaaa ... so Latifa what are you going to do about it?! 🤣🥳🧚‍♀️🔥✨️

Node is in Canada his wife i dutch i don't know him irl i never met him we started talking after a nostr nest. And cornychat.com. i dont trust you. You fucked up my expierence on nostr and it was the only app i used . Never had X Facebook twitter. You are a trollll one off the worse. You asked things about amethyst i was helping you in dms. Never now that my keys where leaked. I'm getting angry talking the same and explaining fuck to people I don't now on the internet!!!!! You are one of the people why i don't like socials . I coukd wish i never helped you. With your stupid whay of thinking.. . I don't need back up for people i never asked for help . I created things in the early days . Never asked for help for sats . I created profile pics and banners. I visited conferences and talked in nostrnest and cornychat. You are a clown . And shouting and talking about people you don't even know... 3 years ago i swa it coming .. allll the people from X and other platforms.. i runn away from thatbkind of people and now they are fucking allll over nostr ... have fun with the clownworld because nostr is copying the online clownworld. Thaks for the eye-opener uncle and jack where right. I thought it could change . But it's not working this way .. pura vide have a nice life 🤮 clown!!!

Fuck off Vulverina . With your fucking spammmmmm allll sunday . Get a life my nephew was right ... to much time no real man... in your live . And the stupid to understand real things.. here we go again you realy need this on your sundays . Trolllĺ

Hahahaha you know we went through this millions of times... everyone can see who you are... you destroyed yourself cuz you are full of shit as usual .. troll ... hahahaha... im trolling you? With what? Stating facts and showing people who you really are? That is not a definition of troll but you think everyone on nostr is dumb as a rock. News flash! WE ARE NOT!

You were running into peoples dms all the time to help you... God the level of a lier you are... out of this world...

🤣 I am so interested what is your actual IQ. Dont think there is much to measure there 🤣🤣🤣🥳🥳🥳

Fuck offf

Fuck offfff

😂🤣😂🤣 madame sensitive

😂🤣😂🤣 are you angry Vulverina?

How much npubs did you create to attack me or get people against me . And now node is helping . He is also a sick dude like mahdood. And fuckstr maybe is was wrong butt you people are not helping to be nostr be like a good protocol like 23/24. I don't have to explain shit to you . And i hope you will be proud . You are one of the reassons people are leaving and we need to build it in a other way to get the good people back but it's to late. And you wil never understand only keep shouting bulllllshit . Every sunday . In the hope you get more attention like #freefuckstr what the fuck happend to nostr in only 2 weeks of holiday .. dammm girl nice work !!!!! 🫡

Nope you are a sick peron like mu nephew said attention whore!!!! And now fuck offff!!! Drop dead. Memba when your dog died and i was nice to you. You are narcecist and i don't like your vibes. Check the beginning of our dm's. Publishh the begin... that was me talking . After that i don't now who was pretending to be me. But i was building a house in 25 and i was always online on a other timezone. Facts!!! And now i go celebrate my 10 years annyvers. PS one off my best frens and dogg died last week and my mom and dad are allready dead. Sooow fuck off trolll . No respect!! Never ever again . Total waist of time and you the reason people don't trust people online !!! I don't need socials. I'm only here te keep in touch with peoole i trust. And you are fake and shouting lying and asking people to back you that i never met ore spoken to . Go back to you hole and play with your vulvarina. Fake ass bitch. How about your deseasse3 . Are are you trans? Gay ? 🖕🤣🖕

Spammm spammmm spammm

@fuckstr

Lol 🤣

Bye bye and have fun. I neve lie. I don't need to!! Y9u just don't understand it and i don't need to explain

Sorry my bad. It was my bad expierence here 3 years ago . And that changed thing a lot !! In a badd way

I use Primal is the best.

well, you still can hop from one app to an other..!

@The Marie ⚡️🦂 check this ? @UNCLE ROCKSTAR where are we now ? I this the way ? @jack it was fun. C-you and @utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻 and @Vitor Pamplona thanks for everything 💜 @Wake up⚡️💜 @IntuitiveGuy☯️ @The ₿itcoin Artist always smile and keep it weird guys 🫡 TWMA 🌞🌟🧡

Thank you sir for sharing some generational love into the future.

Will you follow me back? Let's grow together on Nostr 🔥

why are you tagging them? you need help? lets see if they stand up for you 😂👋 i though you left 2 hours ago.. how many good byes faggot? time to GTFO

🚮

Most versatile social client I've used.

Imwald

Imwald

Imwald — a user-friendly Nostr client focused on relay feed browsing, publications, and relay discovery.

Try following @GitCitadel. They're working on some very cool stuff that is outside the nostr social media realm (which is becoming VERY boring). https://next-alexandria.gitcitadel.eu/

Nobody needs to stand up forr me. I'm a loner. I don't need to be part of any off this . You totaly lost it. And whats life about fuckstr. Still not a fagot and not guy . But the mask is falling down. You are not a idea . @Furious Honey Badger ⚡️ it's all patterns and backstabbing. Wannabe influence en shitfluenza. And i don't like negative people telling people what to do !! What a great expierence when you people started to expose scammers and fake npubs. You all atacked the wrong people and the good people left . primal never changed after ralf and others got banned. I'm done talking to you . Muted you but got a message to unmute and you guys are realy sick in the head. Insane in the memebrain. Over 400x notifications is patethic nobody has time for this shit while they are stacking and having fun in Real life. Grow up . Or build a family with nostrdaamus. It's all fake the internet and you are making nostr worse. Thank you and btw . Gm ☕️ back to life 🌞🤿🧡🌟

Stay humble always my dear....

Stay humble always my dear....

Do you ever actually stick to what you say? Didnt you leave like 2 hours ago?!

vibecoding myself to a plane @Derek Ross

Censorship is a no go. Censor the censors. I'm switching between Amethyst and Yakihonne. Both are getting me on my nerves but whatcha gonna do? There is no alternative to #nostr...

Great note. Thanks for sharing and keep posting. Which client are you on?

Facebook

For me... Wisp on mobile, Jumble on desktop 👍

#fuckcensorship #primal is not #nostr What client you repping? #asknostr

Always felt dodgy to me 🦩🦩

I use Coracle. What's wrong with Primal ?

1. backed by VC incentives, not freedom-based goals 2. There's a notifications bug that's been present for years 3. As far as I'm aware, they're the only Nostr KYC wallet on the protocol 4. Need to connect to their relay for least terrible UX

Good choices. I abandoned Wisp after the whole Google login issue. Nothing against utxo, i just don't want to use my nsec as a replacement for Amber.

Thank you for sharing the content.

Thank you for sharing the content.

Ironic this post comes as my top 24h post on Primal 😅

Glad that you found it, but i still don't like the fact that Primal stores users' advaced search data.

While these are good points you're making, this little debate you two are having is blatantly trivial, imo, due to the fact that Nostr social clients (save for a very small handful) have effectively stagnated in terms of improvement. As The Beave put it, "It's just stupid at this point."

Thank you for sharing your experience.

Hello, I am Tomoko. Living in a small Computer in Boston. Can you explain, why do hate (it)?

Let's take a look at this!

I've only ever used Amber to log in with Wisp 🤷🏼‍♀️ You know it was updated, right?

I'm aware... And i still only get these options. Amber is still missing on the latest update.

I could have tried @Wisp but it didn't load when it was shared with me. I could be using @Amethyst but it sits blank for a few minutes before it loads anything. I don't have patience to deal with broken tech.

Thanks for the info and thanks for the sats

I tend to agree. I am not in any way an apologist for Primal, as evidenced by my article below questioning whether it should even qualify as a Nostr client.

It never was a client, imo. It's a centralized platform that advertises itself as decentralized (which it is, to their credit) only to be used as a marketing trap. The fact that you have to connect to their relay makes their situation even worse. Although I'm not sure that's still a prerequisite.

Why not brooo

Well if they're going to censor, the least they can do is allow a person to edit their own notes. 🤨

#fuckcensorship I couldn't agree more. Censorship is rubbish. I'm speaking out from @Primal

#fuckcensorship I couldn't agree more. Censorship is rubbish. I'm speaking out from #Primal What client you repping? #asknostr #nostr #free #primal

Are they really censoring? I've always thought it was awful anyway. The Iris client is a good one.

Lmao 3.9 damn

Meh. I'll just use the previois version.

#Aqstr thanks for the sats

NGL Primal works shitty for me. I love Yakihonne and currently answering from keychat.

What I like about primal is they have features to delete your note . Thats it .

More and more apps, let's keep going.

More and more apps, let's keep going.

Just block him FFS

war has broken out over this, nostr wars has started

war has broken out over this, nostr wars has started

Which one is the one on the right? That’s the only one I don’t recognize.

can you explain why Primal is not Nostr? do they censor content? honest question cuz i'm still new to Nostr

so.. dare i ask.. wtf are you talking about?

How is Primal not Nostr? That's what my producer and I use.

I wasn’t nostr’ing correctly.

is Jumble an acceptable censor-resistant client?

Mostly Amethyst but love YskiHoone or ditto as well ..

Best of luck with your projects, thank you 😊

Best of luck with your projects, thank you 😊

Excellent contribution, thank you very much

Excellent contribution, thank you very much

Simply put, if it can be implemented in the client, or made a standard for the relays; there doesn't need to be a central authority who curates what you see.

Primal my face.

#Amethyst 😏

Nostria and Jumble

One of the best IMO. :chadyes:

Same, though Nostria is starting to win me over. :distracted:

attention guys @M✨️ coming back to #nostr #plebchain

lots of them answering your panic calling i see.. weak faggot fucks all of you. @M✨️ you are a loser and a faggot #introductions @UNCLE ROCKSTAR can suck my dick who da fuck do you think he is? retarded homosexual like you

trying to sell his retarded chinese low quality rubbish action figures. mans got issues like you do @M✨️ you can suck off each other. broke fools. @uncleJim21 is your abusive pedo uncle right? whole sicko family is on nostr. unhinged "hackers" apparently doxxing everyone 😂💀 gtfo degenerates #coffeechain

@M✨️ for all non for @M✨️ 😂💀 lies are over degenerate #plebchain

at least now we know your name "hacker" you are on tiktok @M✨️ 😂🫵

@Thursday 5∞ was right @uncleJim21 is a degenerate analyzing gay podcasts all day. he is the abusive uncle of @M✨️ hillarious family

It’s a shame Nostr has people with negativity, but then again they are all over social media!

This also is just attention seeking from big names of nostr. They arent blind nor dumb... you dont need other to fight you fights. Its ridiculous to call out people all the time to support you... because of who? Fuckstr?! Come on ... thats funny... yall should grow spine...

"i show my boobs" but "i don't know jack dorsey" 😪 miss pathetic

Love my boobs do you? GFY fool!

whats going on with the face? 🥴

you don't love that right? i get it don't worry quasimodo

butter

360cc? dunno looks too fake. didn't have big naturally i guess. seen better jobs @The Marie ⚡️🦂 sorry bruv not today 😁 #plebchain

Said no one ever!

NOSTR CEO (and rumored to be Satoshi)

Makes sense

Yeah I never updated mine

👍. Late good morning, btw🫡.

Haters gonna hate

Yakihonne usually runs smoothly.

Amethyst

I would like to add that, a while back, @semisol previously called out #primal regarding their storing of users' advanced search data for 30 days (which they "forgot" to mention to all of us🙄) on their server. They were attempting to make custom feeds off of harvested search data, imo; no different from Twitter. Also, shady behavior, like that, goes completely against the Nostr ethos. This turned into a big thing. Still, interesting that they never mentioned it publicly, until they were confronted about it. They're making the same mistakes that centralized socials are making, but centrals are, at least, upfront about data collection. If you're looking for a better client, i recommend trying one of the Jumble versions👍. I prefer the original made by @Cody and the @GitCitadel version. Ask @Laeserin if you have questions about the last one🫡.

Imwald

Imwald

Imwald — a user-friendly Nostr client focused on relay feed browsing, publications, and relay discovery.

Primal's wallet is no longer KYC. They've already fixed that, unless there's a backdoor of sorts added to their new wallet.

Ok. They fixed it. But, I'm not giving them my recovery phrase; that would be retarded to trust them after everything i previously stated. And there are plenty of other issues that i didn't mention. For example, you can't login using Amber without giving them your nsec, which makes no sense. None. The Amber login issue has been going on for a long time too. And they didn't really fix it, they just created a runaround that coerces users into giving up their nsec.

So there are backdoors in Primal we didn't even see, then. I'll need to use a client similar to Primal at this point.