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Wha?? Damn.
Something smells very bad. What is the best alternative to Primal on android?
Id bet money they get money from the HRF too
Amethyst is my favorite!
Ive glanced at the financials they post annually, but Im not sure if their grants are public or its just whatever they decide to disclose. Id assume public, but its a so shady. Especially when it comes to NGOs
How did they censor you? Do you get some error when submitting a note using Primal? Did it not broadcast to some specific relays?
Yeah, Amethyst for the win.
Just installed it as apk, had some version issues on Google appstore (not available for my distro).
But, Amethyst is a next level Nostr experience. That's for sure.
Its not as polished looking, but it has all the features I want
i see all your posts on primal
Its not ALL my posts. Its specifically targeting posts criticizing US regime change in Venezuela
For instance, I have dozens of comments under this primal developers post. Do you see more than the two?
Leopoldo López
Today I am in Oslo for the awarding of the Nobel Peace Prize to María Corina Machado, a historic recognition for our struggle and for the Venezuelan people.
Here, I am reminded of something I have repeated for years, and which fully aligns with María Corina’s message: there is no peace without freedom. That truth resonates more powerfully than ever at this crucial moment for our country.
From Oslo, I raise my hopes that Venezuelans will soon be able to return home, reunite with their families, and rebuild the free and democratic nation we deserve.
🎥: andreinaperiodista
#NobelForVenezuela
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i see that too…
Yes, that is the one comment I was referring to it showing previously lol
And even if it wasnt, numerous other people verified it didnt load on primal
What does it matter if they quietly fixed it after I made a stink about it?
Oh lemme guess, youre an investor lmao
i don’t hide that fact, nor the fact that im heavily involved in development of primal
what are the noteids or nevents of the “censored notes”
Dude look through my posts, I provided all of that. And others verified it also didnt load for them.
Your investment is a danger to the protocol
Way too targeted. It wasnt just those comments, it was also specific posts if mine about the topic. I clearly angered a primal developer lol
You're not the first person to make an accusation like this against primal.
A couple other people have said some similar things.
Kayne mentioned something about seeing less comments when he's on primal compared to yakihonne or amethyst.
Him and a few others were accusing amethyst of bringing in shadow bans (if 5 people you follow have someone muted that you don't already follow their account is hidden from you)
The solution is to use different clients.
Client side censorship is a risk but anyone can build on nostr.
Same with relays, the bigger corporate relays are going to have a lot of censorship as Nostr gets more popular.
I thought you said Kanye and I was confused af lol
And the ability to use different clients is a large part of what makes nostr powerful, but setting such a precedent for censorship in one of the most popular relays is so dangerous
Even if its not that dangerous to the network overall, they should still be called out for doing it
Agreed, it sets a precedent. Everyone should call it out, the community is what keeps the devs honest.
That said I'm surprised that Ye isn't on nostr.
Someone needs to tell him about it, he'd like it here, lots of mentally ill shitposters here already.
Id zap that
Instead, Ill zap this 😉
pretty unlikely anyone at primal knows you exist or cares what you say. ❤️
It was literally after arguing on a primal developers post about the exact topic getting censored. Try to keep up!
Honestly, I would have been less of a dick if your profile had loaded in time. I fuck with you, sorry lol
But yea. Primal developer pushing US backed opposition in venezuela, I dissent, suddenly primal users cant see things I say specifically regarding regime change in venezuela.
Then the post gets a little attention, and now investors start commenting trying to debunk it lol
Seems pretty black and white to me
why is “primal developer” some class of person and not just “some person thinks differently that me”. you feel pretty off with this one. 🤷
Because this is an issue specifically with primal? If youre curious, just check my profile because thats such an obviously easy to answer question.
i feel bad for you. ❤️ youre a food enough guy and all, but no one is censoring you, and no one is out to get you. 🤷
So you think all the other people confirming that all of these different things only do not load specifically on primal are lying? For what?
Do you not know how primal and their caching server works?
Are you another investor?
lol.
could you be any more cliche’?
if dude thinks im being retarded, it must be a conspiracy cause i just cant be retarded!
no primal investment here. i dont even use it. 🤷
I only ask because youre usually smarter than this.
I dont know why youd pretend to not understand that primal developers influence the development of primal. Money is the only reason I can think. I guess you could actually just be that dumb
If you think social media censorship is some "conspiracy theory," boy do you have a lot to catch up with in the modern world
sorry man. ❤️ i think youre off with this one. 🤷
Well, I have my own eyes that I believe as well as other people that reproduced it
So I dont care
🫂
What are the censored event IDs?
Seems fine now (conveniently), but it was basically all the dozens of comments under this post as well as an article I posted from the Grayzone about Venezuelas US backed opposition. Nothing else was affected
You sound like a fucking blowhard. Nobody cares. Post whatever you want.
Believe it or not, a lot of people on nostr care about censorship resistance. Especially when it comes to censoring dissent from state propaganda
I appreciate that you got triggered enough to comment though
I think what he's saying is he pissed off a Dev that works on primal.
First note on your account was zionist disinformation about the Bondi terrorist attack...
The man who disarmed one of the Indian terrorists was himself a Muslim from Syria.
Maybe stop getting your information about Australia directly from Benjamin Netanyahu?
Also, you don't have to censor the word terrorist on nostr.
You can say whatever you like here, retard.
Using a centralized server sided instance defeats the purpose of a decentralized platform. I don't know if they actually censor your stuff or not since I don't use them for this exact point of failure. Using decentral clients with a decent amount of relays prevents it entirely. I can see every post in the thread you linked.
Who censored the word terrorist? I sure didn’t. I also know the guy was a Muslim. You know it too. But you’re so brainwashed you think Muslim is a country.
There’s no censorship. That’s the point. And even if there was nobody fucking cares enough about you to censor anything you say you narcissistic retard
You’re an example of why Aus is cooked. Leftists cucks that can’t even admit the terrorist was a Muslim. Fucking sad. Hopefully the strong men of Aus ignore weak ass fags like yourself
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I don't call people who blow up abortion clinics to kill innocent people Christians either.
You're out here peddling Israeli propaganda against Australia, trying to sow division and hate against innocent people to make Australian society worse for Australians.
How does ot serve you?
As far as I can see the only people who benefit by turning Australians against each other are the ones bleeding us, because if Australia was united Israel wouldn't have the power they have over us.
As for the strong men of Aus, we're the ones saying fuck you zionist scum.
Attacking leftists for being anti Israel isn't going to win you any points.
The left and the right are united on this one.
It's ok if you made a typo, you could have just said it was a typo instead of getting defensive about it.
I just compared your posts on Primal and Damus for the last week and they match. You need to provide screenshots as proof.
Follow the comments. Other people verified and confirmed, the issue was there until somebody manually rebroadcast those notes to Primals caching server. I dont really care if you believe me or not lol
Read the comments lol. The notes had to be rebroadcast to Primals caching server from somebody else. Although I believe that comment was always there, it was the dozens others on that post that werent
Seems they're there now, but have to click on nested replies to see them. I see you mentioned rebroadcasting so maybe it's too late to check. Bold claim, would be surprised
Eh, other people verified it so I believe what I saw. Wasnt just those comments either, it was also an individual post of mine that I did take a screenshot of
Their relay is going to miss some notes, especially since he isn't posting directly to it but if they were actively censoring that npub then rebroadcasting shouldn't work
There's always the chance it's a nostr glitch, lol. What makes it tough to be sure sometimes. I guess I mostly believe you since it seems you did a lot of checking. Strange
I'll take your word for it. Makes sense from what I understand about nostr. I've seen a few claims of censorship before but never incontrovertible proof real time
I questioned myself when I noticed the comments were nested weirdly in primal yesterday, but quickly realized I and others had already verified that those notes didnt show up in any tested nostr client.
It seems far too targeted to be a coincidence imo. Not just my comments on the developers post, but my own individual post as well on the topic
Could be a hell of a coincidence that only content dissenting from venezuela narrativr, but Occams razor suggests the most obvious reason is that I just upset a developer of the app in question.
Social media behemoths have this issue, some shirtless surfer bros in their early 20s surely cant resist that power
Primal have censored real npubs in the past over spamming claims.
Primal client* not nostr client
I believe you did due dili, but at same time what reach would they hope to silence? A few dozen views? Would be pathetic if true
A very convenient pretext
One mans state sponsored propaganda is another mans "spam"
That I believe. And think they've said as much. Anyway, tag me next time if you think of it. Would like to see for myself
In that case people managed to find a loophole in primals trending and primal took it... Poorly. The idea that Primal is somehow on the US govt payroll to snuff out criticism of an invasion of Venezuela is a bit much. There are plenty of other people on nostr countersignalling that and our posts aren't going to sway geopolitical decisions
Im not saying that.
Im saying a specific primal developer was pushing regime change propaganda, I commented, then a bunch of content critical of regime change in venzuela is unavailable for their users.
Its really not the stretch you people make it out to be
Im not saying the government is making them do it, Im just saying theyre parroting state propaganda and enforcing dissent through censorship. Id would guess solely because some petty moron didnt like what I said and had the power to remove these posts/comments from their caching server
I think it was mostly petty retardation from a young shirtless bro, if I had to guess. This isnt exactly facebook here lol
They werent censoring the npub, they removed specific posts and comments on a certain topic from their caching server so their users couldnt see it
That's what I assumed you meant, which is the hard part to imagine. Gladstein picking up the red phone over you "harassing" him seems like a stretch. Not trying to be a dick, just thinking it seems like a stretch, surely you can understand my skepticism. Maybe though, he or some other(s) were annoyed and reported you as spam. Can't tell for sure now, this would be keen to see next time
it's irrelevant if they censored this guy or not
what matters is that they can
Yea Im convinced by what I saw, but that is absolutely the real issue. Sacrificing censorship resistance for UX (and presumably compliance) is a slippery slope that you cant just "use another client" away. Although thankfully we always have that power. I certainly dont use them myself, I never even would have known if others didnt bring it to my attention that these posts werent loading on primal
Then it only took a second of looking at primal to realize the pattern
Nostr is absolutely not censorship-resistant, but it's your own fault for using Primal. You might as well have posted that on BlueSky.
Read before commenting lol I dont use Primal. And nostr is absolutely censorship resistant if done properly. You can always run your own relay if needed
Psilocyberbull
Yea Im convinced by what I saw, but that is absolutely the real issue. Sacrificing censorship resistance for UX (and presumably compliance) is a slippery slope that you cant just "use another client" away. Although thankfully we always have that power. I certainly dont use them myself, I never even would have known if others didnt bring it to my attention that these posts werent loading on primal
Then it only took a second of looking at primal to realize the pattern
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Obvious it’s a typo. While you’re at, go fetch me a coffee if you’re going to be my spelling bitch
If a Muslim attacks innocent people in your country based on their religious prejudices then it damn well fucking matters that they are Muslim. That’s not propaganda. It’s the opposite. It’s called truth. Ignoring truth so you do t offend Muslims is the kind of appeasement that has your country cooked. You’re allowing an entire culture that is obviously incompatible with your own country’s culture and values to try and coexist. It’s stupid and shit like this will continue to happen. And you’ll keep apologizing for them. Sad
You live in a binary world. I don’t like Israel. I don’t like Islam either. Both can fuck off. But I’m not going to pretend the attacker wasn’t Muslim. That’s the very definition of propaganda. Ask the one alive if he’s Muslim - what will he say? Yet your appeasing ass will claim he’s not. You can fuck off with that
Have you read Primal's ToS or policy?
As for you being a “strong man of AUS” - I highly doubt that. My guess is you’re one of the many childless, godless, unmarried people that havent accomplished much of anything nor own anything. That’s the MO for leftists and Muslim apologists of which you are both
I doubt its like that, although theyll get there.
I personally think its just a primal developer(s) that fell for Gladsteins lazy regime change propaganda, so they removed my relevant posts/comments from their caching server
Just logged into Primal, I'm seeing all your posts. It seems like that'd be an odd topic to have one off censorship on. Do you think there's a chance that they just failed to broadcast to the Primal relay, and now that people are talking about it, they've been re-broadcast? I believe you when you say they were missing earlier, but it doesn't look like anything's being actively censored (from what I can see anyway).
Thats covered in the comments. They likely removed the relevant notes from their caching server (primal reads notes from there, not relays), so their users werent able to see it. Then they were rebroadcat and now theyre available. Everything is visible now, but multiple people confirmed these notes wouldnt load specifically in primal
And I dont think it sounds a weird topic at all to censor if youre a shirtless Primal surfer bro dev thats easily susceptible to propaganda, and you think youre doing something good by making it to your users cant see this "dangerous information"
So something is *definitely* up
I did a speed test and I'm at a 290 Mbps but (1) your profile isn't loading without hiccups (2) I tried to like a post of your's 6 times before it appeared (3) for some reason, the relays are surely slower.
I'm guessing it's coz I'm also on Primal?
Also for what its worth, I onlyym mentioned the HRF in relation to primal because their developers, aside from alex, are the only people "dumb" enough to push this obvious propaganda. Primal doesnt receive money from them (although they do recommend them), but Im still not entirely unconvinced there isnt at least some sort of tenuous connection there at the least
Now that Im suspicious of the HRF, I am VERY suspicious of them. I find it very easy to believe that primal developers are stupid enough to fall for anything because a respected bitcoiner told them to jump. I find it less easy to believe Alex's motives are as genuine.
Whether its direct influence or indirect through Alex's status and his opinions, I think thats why I see them saying that and presumably taking the action they did to remove my posts from their caching server
People are acting like Im presenting some grand conspiracy, but its really just the most basic incentives. Its not at all a stretch
I'm all for being suspicious. I've generally liked Alex's vibes and heard good things from people who've spent time with him. I don't know enough about the argument or facts behind it (pretty ignorant about any deep political stuff; we can't all be experts in everything), so can't judge for myself very well how off base his takes on this issue might be
Maybe he does believe what he says. Im sure plenty of people that work for these politically weaponized NGOs genuinely believe the rhetoric they spout.
Its just my previous respect for alex and the things hed talk about that makes that impossible to believe for me.
I cant believe that the person that wrote Hidden Repression is spouting regime change propaganda brazenly, and influencing the people that listen to him, without some sort of motivations
Then I briefly checked out the hrf website and now I just think its all bullshit lol
You could be onto something. I've read a couple of his books, and know what you mean. I legit know jack about Venezuela until yesterday though. Sad, I know
Definitely the type of institution to have some "Feds" doing stuff. That prince guy I wonder about a bit 👀
Just read dude, sorry but Im tired of explaining it. Primal users specifically couldnt see these notes on a certain topic until this post kinda grew. Then the events get rebroadcast so now the users can see it.
If I didnt say anything, they wouldnt have been visible. It only affected primal users, not just me, and only posts on a certain topic after getting in an argument on a primal developers post about this certain topic
I also think its telling that investors come trying to debunk, but got silent after asking for the eventid's lol
i asked you for the “censored” note ids because i assumed good faith and wanted to make sure there wasnt an issue
you refused to provide them because your claim was bullshit
Ive shared them a million times, as I said. If youre an investor that actually cared, youd find it and debunk that shit quick. Sure responded to this quick though 😉
Youre terrible at what you do if youre too lazy to look at the same post youre in 🤣
Very convenient excuse though
none of your posts were censored, i checked
just admit you were wrong
"I checked"
So everybody else is lying, but youre right because "you checked"
You verified im right as fuck, didnt you? 🤣🤣
So a minute ago you didnt have the relevant noteids so you couldnt be bothered
A minute later, you checked. Okay
when you refused to provide proof yesterday i manually went through your posts myself with another client
thanks for wasting my time
You originally posted after the notes were rebroadcasted, so your low effort debunk is literally nothing
I thought you at least had somebody go through logs or something. You literally have nothing and dont care enough ablut your investment to do so 🤣
No all caps now?
Refused to provide proof lmao. The proof was literally in the post but you were too lazy to find it
Jk you were just trying to discredit me
Cry harder that I made you do the smallest amount of work to protect your investment. Pathetic
So youre not implying here that you didnt respond because you didnt have anything actionable? Why is getting truth like pulling teeth with you people?
ODELL
i asked you for the “censored” note ids because i assumed good faith and wanted to make sure there wasnt an issue
you refused to provide them because your claim was bullshit
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Whomever commented under me is muted so I cant see their comment, but just know that they are retarded lol
the paranoia of personal rejection can lead us to pretty crazy conclusions.
What are you pseudo-intellectually vaguely pontificating on now?
you already know. youre just offended because its so personal, and requires humility to see. ❤️
I understand, it just lacks actual substance and sounds like youre trying way too hard to sound insightful lol
Clearly I struck a cord with you, do you have anything to counter my already substantiated claim other than philosophical musings?
Just faggy passive aggressive posts I guess 🤣
So lazy. Makes me sad to unfollow, i didnt want to
atyh
finding identity in being the one who has hot takes and speaks truth to power is a losing proposition. its only an activity you engage in sometimes when it’s necessary. it cant be who you are, or you’ll start seeing conspiracies and enemies behind every rock. there are enough real ones to not have to invent them for a sense of purpose.
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An asynchronous network of ad hoc relays might just appear to be censoring you … for a bit
View quoted note →Theyre adverising themselves as a "freedom tool" when any of their shirtless developers can censor dissent to propaganda theyre gullible enough to believe because a prominent bitcoiner told them we need to do a regime change in venezuela for the people
Btw your comment wasnt even worth an original thought, I copied this from a comment of mine on X lol
Who cares what they're advertising themselves as? In your view censorship resistance is supposed to rely on people staying true to what they advertise themselves as? Come on. That's a nonsense view.
Censorship resistance is a byproduct of systems, not of pretty please hopes that people stay true to their advertised claims.
What? Stop claiming my position when youre incapable of understanding it. I really shouldnt have to explain further honestly, Im done wasting my time on you
Good cause you're a fool who has no idea what trustless means.
Trustless means we should let people censor us without pushback? You really understand things, do you sell online courses? 🤣
No you numbskull, it means you can't get censored *overall* despite what individual people do or don't do, and that obsessing on individual people's actions only shows you're stuck in the past and have no clue how the wider system works.
Youre not telling me anything I dont know. I know you think youre making some brilliant point about censorship resistance, but its entirely irrelevant. Garbage nsec indeed
Someone who knows how nostr is supposed to work doesn't complain like a baby to client operators for censoring them. In fact they'd be happy to be censored by one client or another, because that's a good way to PROVE that nostr works.
You're just being a baby, stop it.
Well maybe youre just too simple minded to understand the issue. Ive explained this elsewhere if your attention span will take you that far. Good luck!
Okay, keep crying to the teacher, good luck with that.
Come back when you have actual arguments that arent just virtue signaling!
This guy is not a primal developer
