Rather than choosing their tribe based on shared principles, most people just reprogram their principles around whatever their tribe is doing.
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In your way, they would need principles to start with
Anyway we can add a gameplay where I can program my own tribe?
For most people this is enough as long as the values of the tribe are virtuous long term.
It takes courage to change tribe. But it is worth it. The enegy changes.
The path of least resistance.
Thank you !!
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The world needs renegades
Oh you mean regime supporting posts like this?
En algunas especies animales ese comportamiento ayuda a la supervivencia de su grupo. Los humanos hacemos lo mismo, aunque por necesidades diferentes.
Changing one’s entire tribe is of substantial difficulty. Who has the time in a world predestined to the impossible chase of fiat.
A voice of reason! So glad you exist 🤘🔥
I don't know that this is exactly "regime supporting". It seems like Pomp is just pointing out that presidents pull all sorts of ridiculous stunts to get reelected. Seems neutral to me
Sheep mentality.
This is the tamer of his posts regarding Trump.
So many do it particularly on X, perhaps I shouldn’t pick directly on Pomp (I have certainly done it in the past and trying to get better)
Because if you seek the perfect echo chamber you will end up pretty much alone. There is no single tribe that gets everything right imo.
I think being alone is frightening for most people and it may be a psyop thru movies etc. Whereas if u be alone u are connected to your intuition more, which is priceless and maybe more valuable than most people's validation.
Exactly the problem, well said Lyn.
Most people are sheep yes
Arnold Kling famously says “most people don’t choose what to believe, they choose who to believe”
Ie, they have no principles.
Principles > people / party
Great observation and sadly true.
We tell ourselves we joined our tribe because of shared beliefs. But watch what happens when the tribe changes its position. Most people change with it.
The tribe comes first. The beliefs follow.
This is old wiring. Belonging meant survival. Getting kicked out meant death. So we conform first and rationalize later.
The rare path is finding people who value independent thought over agreement.
The scary problem is…
America was founded by a diverse people, but with shared principles. First in human history (at least of this scale).
But when you then have a diverse people revert back to tribal associations separate from shared principles…how does this nation stay “united”?
It doesn’t. It falls.
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It's a real time-saver. #lifehack
sad really
That's a funny quip, and also insightful.
People outsource cognitive effort. It's not just fear of the crowd, it's a way to conserve energy.
People want pie and they can't afford to invent the universe.
Consensus thinking is dangerous, but let's be real, we all have to do it sometimes out of sheer practicality.
That's what makes it such an effective weapon and took for the system to control the individual. It's simple war of attrition.
This is a timely observation, as so many of us consider the tribal implications of social scores
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Some tribes choose their people based on their ability to be corrupted or controlled by their lack of principles.
@Lyn Alden didn't get this message, apparently.
the warmth of collectivism
imo, one of the only things more valuable than time, is principles.
*other* people's principles. you see, these people, the tribe, they wouldn't have gotten to where they are now without their principles being good principles so they're good enough for me too.
Principles come from within and with work. Something I wish everyone spent more time on
Well, I’ve changed my tribe pretty often over the years.
Must be the odd one out💥
So true, just now discussed this with my wife because of our kids behaviour at social events.
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but the tribe does what the boss says. And the boss didn’t get the tribe to where it was before he got the power
a few people think for themselves based on personal principles. I would assess you're in that segment
new regime
Nailed it
Truth shouldn’t bend to the crowd; it’s the crowd that should catch up to truth.
Did people really have an alternative prior to the internet?
🎯 Evolutionary survival instincts never fail.
Interesting, looks like it’s playing out re The Adelaide Writers festival in Australia. An invitee had her invitation withdrawn. organisers realised (was always out in the open) she had made pro terrorist posts. Over 100 of the other writers won’t be attending in support of her because she’s blaming racism for the decision.
So true!!!!
Sir Arthur Keith proved that the ethny, not the individual, is the biological evolutionary unit that really matters. So we are hard-wired to treasure, preserve, defend, and advance our people -- and that is as it should be.
We could simplify this aspect of the human condition by positing three basic kinds of thinkers:
1. Group thinkers, who in most ways adapt themselves to the dominant philosophies of their group. These are, probably necessarily, the majority. They rise or fall depending on the worth of their leaders' ideas.
2. Independent thinkers who are individualists. If they too strongly oppose the group that nurtured them, they tend to fail, though sometimes in a meteoric fashion that influences others.
3. Independent thinkers who are loyal to their people and who try to use their new ideas to advance that people. These can be heroes, leaders -- and occasionally martyrs if their people aren't ready for them. I think they have the greatest chance of truly advancing human consciousness and evolution.
The printing press and moderately high literacy rates are basically the threshold for that.
Then its not truly their tribe in the first place
Because government caping a specific % rate in any market has always worked out great...
A lot of other writers have made posts glorifying terrorism, and are not banned by organisers.
White settler terrorism is okay, its even empowering and fashionable among a certain demographic.
That is #racism, and the organisers are crying because they've been called out over it.
I just made a vlog talking about that and regarding how with nostr the shared principles are the common bond here. Maybe I'll post it maybe I won't, but I agree.
Good analysis, respect
True, but more true for settled / modern societies with crops / investments that can be held hostage, than for nomads who can cut their sheep out of the herd and be gone before the big man wakes up.
Makes sense evolutionarily. Most humans throughout most time couldn’t move out of their local tribe. Had to get along or be put down
Always been like this. As Don Corleone said: “Never go against the family.”
“This feature allowed us to evolve by enabling a small number of people, whether in physical form or as myths and gods, to coordinate and direct vast numbers of humans. That made the difference.
Such a profound realization! It’s rare to find someone who prioritizes principles over the crowd. Your insights always challenge me to stay true to my own values. Truly inspiring work👍🤝
What changed a lot is that borders changed and vanished. Democratisation through the internet and better oportunities to migrate were invented.
So we get the opportunity to form societies based on values instead of optics. Lets use this opportuniy. We can acchiev real greatness, when we start supporting people that act in good faight towards each other.
And request good will from everyone in order to participate.
Share an example of other writers who have glorified terrorism invited to the Adelaide writers festival
No terrorism is ok
Your post suggests we are still yet to reach the threshold 😏
Absolutely!!
I was just talking to my daughter about this last night. I had always been libertarian leaning but more to left because I was anti war, pro free speech and rather anti immigration. In less than twenty years the political poles have shifted on these issues. My principles haven’t changed but now I find myself on the right.
Anthropology or history of sociology and its basic unit, the family where the individual is socialized, that is the first choice. The re-programming comes later, but the principles remain there.
that is some Naval Ravikant level BS insight.
Sadly
So true
Got the evidence for ‘ A lot of other writers have made posts glorifying terrorism and are not banned by organisers’? If true it shouldn’t be hard to prove.
Yep.
The bulk of the population is not an individual in society but a flock animal; in other words, it is not reason but emotion. Therefore, it joins the largest flock or the one that gives it something it needs at the moment, paying back by conforming as much as possible.
It is a theme that has been historically well-dissected in philosophy, primarily by Schopenhauer.