Spam apologists trying to reintroduce the Bitcoin censorship FUD painted with jargon to confuse people. Sigh Spam filters cannot be abused for censorship. It only takes 1 block to bypass attempts to censor. But it takes 1 block to make spam filters effective. Opposites.

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Motorist 1 year ago
MARA, a pool that is spam central. BTW, they stopped OFAC compliance because of backlash from the community. Proof that miners will bend the knee when pressed by users
Let’s take the spam conversation a little bit further Let me pitch a scenario- You’re on decentralized social media site and it turns out the security on your device is poor (if you’re phone is not on lockdown with paid malware blockers, it definitely is) You click on a link (have you ever seen the tracker bot?) or you get into a vibe coded app that doesn’t push you a permissions notification for your camera And now someone is remote accessing your camera without your knowledge- those are called RATs, remote accessing tools and they’re common Let’s just say that person has malicious intent towards you and now they are capturing photos of you- non consensual ones - ones while your getting ready for a shower or taking a bath and scrolling maybe? And then they start uploading those photos of you anon to a censorship resistant social media If there are no filters in place, they make it onto the relays no problem If client operators aren’t catching them, the whole world now has your non-consensual photos and you have no way to take them down in that environment because they’re stored on shared, mirrored servers This is why niche internet places are not spaces for survivors to share their stories, this is not a safe place for that- in fact, it’s incredibly dangerous How much do you think those photos would go for? In a world with P2P mirrored immutable media compression… I, personally, don’t want to know because It’s gross and it’s disgusting and there are people in this world that are absolute scum of the earth creeps who would not hesitate to sell you for their profit Filters are the only thing that stands between us and that reality. There ya go @ODELL some more OSINT drops Thanks @jack for the vibe code- I didn’t click it but I’m sure I didn’t want to Filters do work. Not satire. How’s that for free speech? nevent1qqs0kyd37xvclwahqa30gt9upyt5wmwcd035xmt5dfcartyw0mwhxwcpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhg2rprwx
Filters can definitely lead to censorship, which then means that someone who is being censored needs to approach a friendly miner directly (and bribe them with a hefty fee to include their transaction). Given that mining is currently highly centralised, it would mean that a shadowy world government would only need to strong arm a handful of big miners and force them to refuse business with a censored entity and thus that entity will be barred from using bitcoin. Is this not a conceivable scenario?
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Adam Nowotny 1 year ago
There is a difference between censorship and validation. Do I understand it right that rejecting OP_RETURN doesn't reject financial transactions? What are some legitimate uses of this field?
You understand correct. Op_return is for data only and was added as a compromise for people that kept adding data in other more harmful ways.
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ESE 1 year ago
@josh @Noshole think of a remote parking lot in a national park. Usually, just a handful of hikers show up, but once the limited wildflower bloom hits, it floods with cars. Volunteers install a 7-foot clearance bar across the entrance: sedans and SUVs still slip through, but the towering RVs that want to camp for the weekend and hog multiple spots for little or no fee can’t fit. Because the beam is welded in place, any future volunteer (miner) must enforce that same height limit. There’s no central authority, just the inherited structure. Contrast that with a lone volunteer who decrees “no gasoline-powered cars” (blocking valid txs), a personal whim instantly overturned when the subsequent volunteer waves gas gazzlers in while pocketing the parking donations. Yet many Ordinals/BRC-20 boosters now gaslight the debate, calling this neutral, equitable size filter “censorship” and conflating it with bans, despite having once cheered Marathon’s real OFAC blocklist—filters ≠ censorship.
people should run nodes, and node runners just needs to be aware what they filter. core is the one that likes to take away options from its users
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Lostdog 1 year ago
Would an increase of the utxo set eat up more of that precious RAM of yours 🤔?
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Adam Nowotny 1 year ago
So I see how this could be useful for some cases. Would be nice to have some kind of basic structure like protocol:data to let them through. I just don't want to have to buy new 1TB every year so others can store their "I was here" graffiti on my node
Hi Luke, it's great to have other options like Knots, but I think a 1-Dev project can be a vulnerability too. Any plans to onboard other people to your project?