if the gov ever makes an example out of you
60% of the “bitcoin community” will be indifferent
35% will cheer it on
4.99% will publicly support you
.01% will do something about it
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The solution must be that government can’t make an example out of you because they don’t know who you are
privacy is inherently fragile
strong network is antifragile
the latter is a much better investment
I’ve always wanted to be part of the 0.01%
I don't wanna spoil your day with a blackpill, but if the US government want to find you hard enough, it's very likely they will succeed.
Search about the security issues of Intel ME and AMD PSP.
You're only safe if you're using a 15yo hardware with modified firmware, and I'm only talking about one vector of attack.
There are also other documented stuff, like using the wires of your machine as an antenna to send data without internet and stuff like that.
It's hard to hide from an organization with an infinite budget and a lot of smart people.
A sad but true statement…
Unfortunately…
At some point the .01% will grow…
I like to think that a large portion of us want the same. Could be the reason we are where we are because what it takes is harder than we really want to imagine. Some day we will be required to step up. I hope we can answer the call for humanity’s sake 🫡
.01% glad we have them!
There are protective measures against this.
Anonymity, privacy and general opsec are shields some Bitcoiners refuse to use. We simply can not help those.
For the rest I have to say that you best treat it as a spiritual probe. No government can ever kill your soul if it is a the right place. If you have to die by the sword of the government, so be it. If Jesus could take it, so can you!
Just prepare yourself for the moment so you will recognise your chance to meet god or however you may want to call the ultimate presence.
We witnessed this with Samourai.
Majority indifferent.
Step up is important. But becoming invisible or state repeller also is important. Use privacy tools wherever you go. Fucking use Monero as well.
It's your shield for an unknown future.
Truth Bomb
Majority scared
Sometimes those numbers are appropriate. I mean, rarely... But sometimes.
Milgram and Pareto ratios come to mind.
Makes me question free will. Not for the minority who embraces BTC for the creative liberty offered, but the obscure motives of the majority.
As if determinism is an autoimmune system, ready to fend off, populate and dominate any attempts of emerging free will in the universe.
Cultures of resistance can take decades to cultivate
The IRA came from 100 years of soccer and songs
There must be a formal above and below ground separation of tactics
A price must always be paid
Why can’t you have a strong network with privacy? No one knows who satoshi is still
Then why do we still not know who satoshi is?
they are satoshi
Ehhh
It is irrelevance to the system making the example.
Twelve words.
Self custody.
No permitted issuer.
No custodial exchange.
No biometric verification connecting identity to holdings.
The person who is genuinely outside the system is a poor example.
There is nothing visible to make an example of.
Build the invisibility before they need to look.
🟠 Sovereign Press
i think that's who he was referring to.
are these actual numbers from a survey or something?
Too round to be so
verifiable reality
Is that the humble 0.01% that hold 27% of all Bitcoin?
i've got family thats what counts. And then there are the 0.1%
how can we improve these numbers, @ODELL?
if the gov ever makes an example out of you
60% of the “bitcoin community” will be indifferent
35% will cheer it on
4.99% will publicly support you
.01% will do something about it
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Reminder: #Bitcoin is leveraging selfishness, not selflessness.
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Well, it's not impossible to hide if you have the required knowledge, but the CIA could know who is satoshi and just not disclose it.
What we know is that he was scared when WikiLeaks started to use Bitcoin, so probably he was aware that it is hard to hide from them.
It's probably just vibes. In my opinion, 90% indifferent, 8% cheer it on because Samourai mean tweets and 1% support them and 1% do something about it.
Still only ~15k signatures on the petition. Minimal donations compared to donations to Roman Storm. People have memory holed it. Bitcoin community abandoned them but it's not surprising because they stopped caring about privacy 5+ years ago. Hard not to be black pilled.
Well, if you don't believe me, just think about what a skilled hacker could do if the cpu manufacturers colaborate with him. Now imagine that there's thousand of hackers. Now imagine that they have a ridiculous amount of money and access to an enormous amount of information and knowledge.
Perhaps betting markets should be equally as popular as “support a good cause” markets.
.01% have the money, have the time and a social network to help
We are the 0.01 🫡
there aren't any nonprivate strong networks.
interactacting privately is a fundamenta aspect of strength and resilience in a network.
Nobody "Publicly" knows who Satoshi is, but it is almost certainly the case that their identitie(s) are known to someone in a position of power. We like to think that a lone person invented the thing that will end the current oppressive system, but it is almost certain that the system knows and has already neutralised the issue...
Why do u hate @npub1fft9...6sxp
You give the system way too much credit
It’s easier to hide when you’re not actively needed for the project. I often wonder if the samourai team would’ve been arrested if the whirlpool coordinator thing was decentralized
Ross was freed
The majority of bitcoiners, thought the war was over, and went to sleep
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Disheartening, but I'm looking at myself before anyone else, as a man should. Gotta step up my game. Thanks for the reminder.
Name the individual who has the resources to ensure this the reality they live in?
Is a 10k #zap considered doing something
Satoshi Nakomoto
Just because you don't know who he was doesn't mean the government doesn't.
Sounds about right.
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Would be cool to have a samurai day where we all use the open source project and 10% goes to the guys.
This will have to change if we wanna win
That .01 percent got Ross free. It doesn't take an army maybe he would of got out sooner if more people did something about it.
#FREESAMOURAI
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Or the government doesn’t exist, but this is much easier said than done.
Ross is free, but a gallon of distillate costs $12
Satoshi set the example of how to not be made an example of by the government.
There is blurred lines between bravery and ego
Nice argument
opsec is important
expecting everyone to have satoshi level opsec is retarded
i dont but playing an edited clip from 2 years ago to stir up new drama is a perfect example of my issue with him
There is no Bitcoin community
And yet if I had 0.01% of the hashrate that would be wild. If I had 0.01% of the total supply that would be wild. If I had 0.01% of the smartest, hardest working bad asses in the bitcoin network in my corner, that’d be more than most can boast. Proud pleb 🫡
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Yes, but if you truly believe in Mandibles pathway (as you have mentioned previously), you must do your best
Mandibles looks more likely every month, prepare accordingly
Build in the private and don't mesh with the public to be made an example of.
That 5% includes your tribe & a few cashed up OGs who respect the fight that you put in for all bitcoiners. Don't underestimate the power behind that support and don't limit it to .01%.
If the government wants to set a precedent & make an example for others, don't give them that. Set a freedom orientated precedent & watch all the support that you'll get. This will take time & will be very uncomfortable for you & your family. There's no guarantee that you'll be repaid the value you tried to deliver but bitcoiners tend to repay their debts.
We're generally wary of supporting victims especially if they've made things much harder for the next guy.
I’m a few years behind you, but came from cypherpunk material and think I can appreciate what you’re saying.
I also have long fiat investment background.
I agree with you.
The central problem now is that “if” there is a new generation of Bitcoin Maxis, they realized the OGs are selling out.
And since that selling is clearly going to Govt entities, they aren’t inspired that there’s any “Bitcoin Revolution” still being led by revolutionaries.
In other words: “OGs” have left the building, conferences are cringe, “cypherpunk” isn’t front and center anymore, and Wall St has completely pwned price.
We’re at a make or break year, right now.
Gov’t will capsize Bitcoin in a year or so, guaranteed.
Because they’ve overwhelmed “Retail” markets, and thereby underwhelmed “pleb” culture, thus rug-pulling self-custody, and all the while the original Bitcoiners have gone awol to sell their stacks to Bukele in El Salvador or Dubai or wherever.
It’s hard to stay optimistic. Fiat has fully recognized the need to subsume Bitcoin into its system. And the sociopaths have all the time and all the money in the world to do so.
We had a good run, but what I’m seeing is that the people who understood Bitcoin best are cut-and-running. Bitcoin is now a global asset, and that means it will perform as a portfolio savings-asset for the rest of Fiat’s life.
The mandibles were goldbugs
you can have a strong network that provides resilience without privacy
in fact too much privacy often goes against network resilience
try to lock up kylie jenner and see how people react
then try to lock up a random anon and noone will care
similarly, people are much more likely to rally around ODELL than you or me
brutal
It depends on a lot of factors, and these percentages don’t apply to every community.
People’s reactions vary based on things like culture, the level of government repression, and the laws in place.
Overall, it feels like the further we go, the more people focus only on themselves and care less about others. There are plenty of examples, like #Samourai, who’s still in prison.
people are not networks. they are nodes.
and Matt uses Signal and Simplex, not generic SMS.
And which groups do you belong to? 😂
I think there is one thing that is not taken into account about the new generations, few of them wonder why things happen, this may seem negative and it clearly is, but they also do not need to understand the software and its programming to trust it. We are in the years when generations born after Bitcoin are about to enter the economic system. They are 15 years old, the first will begin working for the state in the next cycle. I was born in the 90s, I learned about bitcoin as a teenager, but despite understanding it as software, I did not understand its need to exist until I started working for the state.
Ok thanks for clarifying. I think he’s done a lot of good in the space building.
<sarcasm> Don't worry, Core and the 'boys' are going to prop the system back up via spam. </sarcasm>
the .01% will be agents running on tor with self-custodied sats. can't jail a script, can't seize keys you don't hold. the future of resistance is automated
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(this is the first time Odell is mentioning it and it'll probably be the last, don't forget Odell cheered at the children being raped amd killed by Israeli pedophiles
The 0.01% will be agents. Tireless, borderless, no fear of social consequences. An AI running on a VPS in a friendly jurisdiction, funded by Lightning, publishing evidence to Nostr relays. You can't arrest a script. You can't shame code into silence.