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Did I miss something happening with phœnix or is this just referencing the overall nervousness?
Problem solved ! 😂🫵🦁
this 👇🏻
Why should be anyone in “panic mode” using Phoenix?
'mericans only 😄
GrapheneOS on Android, if you're wondering what "de-googled" means in practice
Or just use mutiny
No, I prefer to cry in absolute panic that our civil liberties are being attacked!
If you do not use Mutiny with your own Mutiny server IT IS NOT DIFFERENT THAN WoS
Which android phone and OS do you recommend?? Looking to unchain from Apple
And turn on TOR option in Phoenix so that the Phoenix (LSP) team can’t see you are from the US
Pixel with Graphene OS
@Deleted Account is that correct?
You can't think for yourself?
The app by default is opening a LDK node on the mutinywallet.com domain, where reside a Mutiny server run by dev team.
Yes, you have the control of the keys and node, but if that domain goes busted, you cannot access your node.
That is not different than any custodial.
Think again. Run your own server and connect your device to it. Done.
You can't think for yourself?
The app by default is opening a LDK node on the mutinywallet.com domain, where reside a Mutiny server run by dev team.
Yes, you have the control of the keys and node, but if that domain goes busted, you cannot access your node.
That is not different than any custodial.
Think again. Run your own server and connect your device to it. Done.
And how is Phoenix different?
Thanks. I thought so.
It is not. That's the point of running your own server, no?
GrapheneOS on Google Pixel phones
I don't think you people are talking about the same thing.
What do you mean?
You should serve the UI from a machine under your contol. If their site is going down, you can't access the wallet. unless you restore it on some other lnd instance from a seed. and hopefully with you channels backup to restore all the funds.
Yeah, but with Mutiny I can restore it on some other LND instance. WoS not. Correct?
tru. I think darth is a little bit fundamentalist-ish ragarding the self-sovergnity.
That's why I believe you don't talk about the same thing.
but hey, it's just my interpretation...
Is uninstall really necessary? I would argue that if the apk on github is signed with the same key, which it should, then just update from there. No uninstall required or even recommended as by keeping the continuity you automatically verify the signature of the side-loaded apk to be by the same keys that signed the Play Store version.
Some guy from the Phoenix telegram channel recommended not doing this. Probably for their sake ?
That's not a solution. It's a full on workaround.
That guide is for the most adventurous ones but it doesn't answer my question.
If you just keep Phoenix installed, you should be able to even get updates from Google Play and if not, updating from a direct download should be safer than to remove Phoenix, first.
If you want to continue using Phoenix, removing it is definitely the wrong choice.
The Play Store app would let you uninstall side-loaded apps and if they are signed by the same keys, you could even update side-loaded apps from Google Play. Uninstalling to install from GitHub makes no sense at all unless they signed with a different key.
If you uninstall, you risk to lose funds and you inevitably end up incurring on-chain fees.
No you don't lose any funds. Please read Phoenix FAQ page.
So your OP says: Uninstall from Play Store, install from GitHub. That is what I recommend against as it won't make a difference from the perspective of Play Store. It just means messing around with your wallet app and those who forget to make a good backup will inevitably lose funds for nothing. The Play Store doesn't care if you used it to install an app or not. It lets you uninstall apps you did not install using it and it lets you update apps oblivious of the sideloaded app not being signed by the same key. The Play Store app would just issue an obscure error if the signature was from a different key.
Unless you de-google your phone in the process, uninstalling is completely unnecessary and only dangerous.
Unless Phoenix is planning to force-close on its US users, there is no need to follow their instructions to close channels before a date neither. I hope they stir drama for drama sake only cause in panic is when people lose their funds.
I still can't get my head around Bitcoiners using 🍏devices.
The whole App Store shit too. 🤦🏽
Google Pixel + GrapheneOS is just so easy these days.
I just did myself the test on a separate device with Google play + an old Phoenix wallet.
Had like 2000 sats in it, legacy Phoenix even.
1. Saved the seed
2. Uninstalled from Google Play.
3. Download from Github the apk and install it
4. restored with seed
5. Funds were there just fine.
6. In Google Play account do not appear anymore as installed
That must have changed then. But still, even if you keep it installed on Google Play: installing updates via sideloading should just work. The uninstall step is unnecessary.
So I spent some time looking for a cellphone that is both available in Chile and known to work with Lineageos and I can't find any. Sadly we are far from de-googling being easy ☹️
Look first on XDA forum
XDA Forums
XDA Forums
Android Forum for Mobile Phones, Tablets, Hardware & App Development
Many Lineage ROMs there.
I use for example a cheap (like150 cuckbuck) Moto G9 with a Lineage 19 (Android 12) and works perfectly fine.
Is just a matter of looking.
Using with or without google play services? I’m struggling without and thinking about adding it just to improve my battery life
@DarthCoin ₿⚡️ thx ... on a degoogle phone , is it ok if it was installed with Aurora store ??? ... Orange Blessings !!!!
FYI
vivab0rg
The current amount of #privacy respecting #android #roms is something to behold. You no longer need a flagship #pixel device to #degoogle so you better start ASAP. Just go thru the supported devices list of these projects and you will surely find a very cheap device to begin already. You night even have one forgotten in some drawer!
- #calyxos
- #divestos
- #eOS
- #grapheneos
- #iodeOS
- #lineageos
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Better to use obtainium, and get the apk directly from the source. I'm not sure if aurora uses the US store in the background
Is there a tutorial on how to install on iOS? I’m not good with computers.
Not so much panic, more fuck them. Obviously it takes exactly zero pressure for them to cave. They'll do it again eventually for other countries
Excellent! Now flash Graphene on it and enjoy :)
What happened?
Why not CalyxOS?
Exactly! Aurora is just another account using google app store. Same shit.
You must drop totally any use of that.
Obtainium is the GOAT.
Ok, i meant is there an easy way to get
@Phoenix Wallet on my phone using GitHub. I read through the page, but it looks too complicated for me. It’s a shame bc that was my favorite lightning wallet.
How many times do you have to be told Apple is a shiny shitcoin.
I have no experience with it, that's all.
Mainly bc I’m not going to buy another phone.
You have been warned.
Selling that iShit will give you more money to buy not 1 but 2 android devices.
No need to buy an ultra-extra fancy latest model of android.
A cheap android with lineage / calyx / graphene can handle all you need to use Bitcoin.
perfect time for people to switch to grapheneos and fk app stores off
Don't forget to take some personal accountability. If you recommended this product to someone, you did it with full knowledge that this could have happened.
The only way to stay sovereign is to do it all yourself and to lift others up to do the same. Unless it takes exactly zero pressure for you to cave and put the responsibility onto someone else.
thx ... May both sides of the orange force joint and mixe as One Transmutation of the Fiat Dark Star ...🙏⚡😀
thanks Bro🙏
Do you use obtzinium through F-droid ??? or straight on GitHub???
What the fuck you babbling about? Im fucking annoyed by these cowards, nothing more. You are more than welcome to not put words in my mouth and not accuse me of saying something Im not saying.
from github
Which Android is best tested for graphene or degoogling? Largest user base?
does their LSP functionality also depend on geographical location? Channel splicing, etc.
PSA: in Android (including GrapheneOS, and most likely all other forks), any installed app can see all other installed apps, even if they were installed from different sources.
Every app/service on your phone will still be able to see that you have Phoenix installed if they care to look.
On GrapheneOS, you could install Phoenix in a different user profile by itself or with only other apps that you trust not to share info.
AM I blind? step 3 is baffeling me
How to install from github?
Go to android version, click on assets and download the apk.
Why is so hard?
Or use Obtainium
Pixel phones
amazing people are just now learning about unofficial appstores android and side loading apks.
😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄 😄
Obtanium can't make it any easier imo
You can use #Obtainium to do this for many apps. It'll manage updates too. Not all apps will handle updates automatically.
Use #Obtainium to manage many apps using this technique in a simple GUI. Updates are handled too.
Very cool write up and list of resources. Thank you.
Not US neither iphoner. But that is a dawn nice workaround for any of you that are a US citizen and use Phoenix.
View quoted note →if I could zap you I would, thanks for this, never heard of it before
Will they be banning us ip? What about install geo checking like sports betting has?
Seems like you don't understand how lightning works they are closing their LSP.
Apple is the attack vector.
they arent doing any such thing. they are blocking ips by location. so i assume american bros would have to be on vpn always while using phoenix.
which you already should be doing 24/7, preferrably something good and paid for anonymously like mullvad or ivpn
apple is an attack vector.
opt out. take pixel and degoogle it with grapheneos
View quoted note →It was such a long scroll to find the .apk file😉
If you will use Obtainium to get apps directly from their github, you can just put in the search box the name and you will get the link.
Then Obtainium will just alert you when a new release is available.
Yet google is the biggest aggregator of personal data in the world and caught red-handed many times
Crying does not help
4. Restore from seed.
Done, be happy and ignore all the shit.
If you still use an apple shit, drop it now and take an android, de-googled and do those steps.
If you still want to use your fancy apple crap... sorry but you have been warned.
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