Tell me an argument against veganism and I'll rate it on a scale of 1 to 10.
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Both vegans and carnivores are a product of living with an over abundance of food. Neither side exists in humanity without this. Basically I'm saying both sides are spoiled brats. Be thankful you have food.
I’m stuck on mars with only 1 cow.
Then you should stick to milk :-) don't kill the golden goose 😂
Species that primarily eat plants have either multiple stomachs or much longer intestines to process them compared to humans. Also humans have 100 times more acidic stomach compared to monkeys and other vegetarian animal to perfectly break down meat.
So overall just eat species appropriate food...
I forgot to mention that this cow is incredibly old and has severe arthritis so much so that using cow to human voice technology, the cow said, “please, kill me. I’m in a tremendous amount of pain, all my milk has dried up many moons ago, and I would like to be put out of my misery. Also, it is my last wish that my body be cut up, cooked, ingested, and turned into several turns to be placed in a crater. Also, there’s a loaded gun to the right of that rock and a grill to the left”. 🤷♀️
Turds*
If animals weren't meant to be eaten then why are they made of food?
Plants are living things too
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It's a true statement, but not a good reason. If anything it's more of a reason.
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Factory farms are hell. We're not doing them a favor by breeding them at unnatural rates.
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It's a true statement but an old and tired argument
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Soy contains phytoestrogens in extremely small amounts. But so does chicken, which contains actual estrogen. In both cases it's so small you would have to consume an extremely large amount over a long period of time for it to even be a factor.
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Appreciate the sentiment but it ignores the vegan position that animals are sentient beings. They suffer from that choice.
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In my area the teenagers use the word vegan as a swear word.
It's used so much in this context that if you call my four year old a vegan he'll cry. 😂
Same goes for the word liberal.
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You said a series of true statements, but you didn't make an explicit argument against veganism.
Alex is vegan (10/10, ty)
It's because I think that argument is an appeal to emotion and not reason or logic, so yes I ignored it. You drive a car and kill all kinds of bugs which are also sentient and suffer from your choice. To be clear I don't really care if someone wants to be vegan, I just don't like the attempts at moral superiority and the harassment of people who disagree(I'm not saying this is you just an example of something I tend to not like about vegans, carnivores also fit into this bubble)
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Argument basically boils down to "it's hard." Fair take. But I do expect more from my fellow humans. I've done restrictive vegan diets, including vegan keto and vegan fodmap, and both are possible. Positive mindset is required.
You don’t love animals, you just hate plants.
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Sentience (ability to feel pleasure and pain) is what matters, not biological meaning of life.
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It's a thoughtful argument. I considered rating it higher because it touches on some points I care about. But it's too out of touch with the current reality, because we're not going to retvrn.
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That slogan holds a special place in my heart, but you still get a 1 because you buy meat at a store.
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Geography- specifically northern communities with limited grow seasons, import opportunities and significant food insecurity.
Married a vegan in a rural northern community. I had limited exposure to vegetables, let alone veganism and to be honest the diet was extremely limiting. I sincerely believed that it was difficult enough to be a solid argument against.
We moved to a small city. That argument became irrelevant.
It's just a game
Hot, but dumb
I used to eat a lot of meat. Now I think it's kinda gay.
You're on Nostr. You're not afraid of being disliked.
Which animals specifically? Isn't it only cows, chickens, pigs, sheep, and fish? Fishing is killing tons of endangered species. The other 4 are least concern from a species standpoint.
I'm not missing the point - land use is destroying habitats.
Ditto
I didn't see the brain size argument in the comments, and I've always blindly assumed that's true since I heard it from saifdean. He also taught me plants are poisonous, since they can't run to evade being eaten.
I joke, but on some level I believe these things. Have never researched the subject much, as you may have surmised by this point in my reply, but appreciate you taking a stand on this unpopular topic
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Been vegan for 10+ years and assure you I'm very big brained
Does sentience require a CNS?
If yes, sponges and jellyfish don’t suffer?
If no, damaged plants release chemical distress signals. They alter behavior (growth patterns, resource allocation) to avoid damage. They prime defensive responses after initial exposure, functionally similar to sensitization. Root tips show oscillatory electrical activity that some researchers compare to neural activity.
So plants have no neurons but do have sophisticated signaling. Yet you think they don’t suffer?
Given that we don't understand consciousness, how can you be certain enough about plant insentience to justify killing them without moral concern?
Genesis 9:2–3
The fear and dread of you will fall on every living creature on the earth, every bird of the air, every creature that crawls on the ground, and all the fish of the sea. They are delivered into your hand. Everything that lives and moves will be food for you; just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you all things.
Basically blow up the whole world to avoid being vegan? 7/10
It takes generations I think. And it passes my heuristic of confirming my biases while sounding plausible, so...
i rate this response a 9.6
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Plant Lives Matter!
Dismissing plants' (very real) suffering on arbitrary grounds, but protecting even the stupidest mollusk ("its an animal").
Dismissing goyim slaves' (very real) suffering on arbitrary grounds, whilst refusing to trade in Jewish ones ("they have souls").
= same energy
Love you boss.
Why is sentience important? Is it okay to piss on a person's grave just because they aren't sentient anymore? If someone drowns in front of you, is it suddenly okay to kick over a person's sand castle just becauee theu aren't sentient anymore?
If you numb someone's arm so that they can no longer feel pleasure or pain in that arm, is it okay to cut it off with a hacksaw?
If something bad happens to a forest, but the forest isn't sentient, isn't it still bad?
Isn't morality supposed to be about reality? Do you actually respect the things that sentient beings care about? Or is morality just a meaningless checklist of creatures whose perspectives you can safely ignore just because you aren't causing them any physical pleasure or pain?
I mean okay, and what if plant's ARE conscious? How does that prove it's okay to eat meat? It just seems like all that argument does is make it immoral to eat plants too.
Yes.
Every steak represents a share in the liberation of an animal from its tedious existence.
It looks like you mistook lions for humans 😆🤣 Several stomachs are found in herbivorous animals. Humans also have a relatively long intestine compared to lions. Humans are fruitarians. The pancreas produces sodium bicarbonate to alkalize the acid coming from the stomach 🤓
It's definitely a privilege to have access to a wide variety of foods.
I'm thinking especially of indigenous peoples... They eat what's available to them. But they eat mindfully, not excessively, like those who think meat and animal products are the only true way.
If I lived in a healthy environment where people live in harmony with nature, then it really wouldn't be a crime to occasionally eat an egg from a wild chicken or drink a few drops of milk from a goat or cow that has just given birth. The problem is, those who eat excessive amounts of animals and their derivatives... As this causes exploitation and suffering. And that's the problem.
It's definitely a privilege to have access to a wide variety of foods.
I'm thinking especially of indigenous peoples... They eat what's available to them. But they eat mindfully, not excessively, like those who think meat and animal products are the only true way.
If I lived in a healthy environment where people live in harmony with nature, then it really wouldn't be a crime to occasionally eat an egg from a wild chicken or drink a few drops of milk from a goat or cow that has just given birth. The problem is, those who eat excessive amounts of animals and their derivatives... As this causes exploitation and suffering. And that's the problem.
Only a non-vegan would give such a retarded answer 🤣
I compost and return what was stolen to the plants. Minus a "finder's fee", of course!
#ReparationsForThePlantKingdom #ReparationsNow
Cheap pets, too :)
Guineapig-owners and WEF-attendees can't both be wrong!
Reason for eating steak, or for not being one?
On the former, I'll add that most farmland in my country cannot be sustainably monoculture-cropped, but can be sown to a diverse pasture and grazed quite sustainably.
Paying for soybeans is paying to clear rainforests, paying for erosion, and paying for more extreme weather events.
Paying for sustainable/regen ag beef or lamb is paying someone to heal the land, instead.
This is spot on. 🎯 the relationship with food is very different in the north.
Cognitive dissonance overload 🤯
I'm not equipped to have the argument, nor really trying to defend eating meat, but am curious if it's the case that these plant antinutrients exist in vegetables and fruits, or just in leaves and the like. It seems unlikely they'd exist in the seed-baring parts of plants, since those are meant to be consumed.
It's a great episode, that stuck with me all these years later.
Fwiw, I'm a salad enjoyer. Enjoy a mixed diet, and not a full carnivore-only bitcoiner type, though I do get swayed by their arguments the few times I've looked into them a bit. I prefer not to think about the moral implications that arise from these conversations too much...it's uncomfortable
Good stuff, thanks for sharing!
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My point is it is stupid to virtue signal that you’re a good person for not harming animals while you’re harming plants. Vegans even harm thousands of rodents and insects via mass farming. Avoiding harming every single multi-cell form of life is an exhausting and endless exercise. Individual adults can draw their own lines for their own lives. I don’t believe is is moral to force children or pets to be vegan. (Inb4 anybody’s eating pets reply.)
Ultimately, I believe it is moral enough to continue most regional predation hierarchies as is. It is complex and there are many nuances. There is no universal guideline that should apply to every village globally.
I am irritated because by focusing on how vegans act (hypocritically, virtue signalling, etc...) you are avoiding the core moral question of whether it's ever okay to torture or kill others for the sake of food. What if vegans killed themselves? What if animals could talk? You are just as bad as vegans.
Yep! I believe the going price is one motor-mower!
Oh right... If you want to avoid gas then stop eating vegan... 😅💨