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The one thing I miss is a semblance of of one-person one-vote. But with modern bots… that is probably a bygone era.
"It's like telling them I saw you. You're not alone".
That matters. Being able to communicate in that "form" is a reaction. Maybe this isn't black or white? :)
We don't know who needs what. We don't have to know either.
Maybe what they need at that moment is to be seen. Maybe not. : )
We can carry some things like the postman. Not knowing what's inside.
It's kind of like zapathon. Very nice for me. I'm reading the global. And I'm distributing "likes". Sometimes hugs :))
I want to disagree but that’s fair, especially when it’s so scalable.
What? No! Algorithm? Why?!
Is it weird that I dont want a computer to customize my feed for me? *I* am the algorithm. I customize my own feed for me.
Likes have their value. As bookmarks or acknowledgements. Letting someone know you read their post without integrating some kind of tracker software to measure impressions or whatever.
Keep the 🤙🏻
#[4] what we’re saying
I feel that’s def still a developer perspective. Most users aren’t aware of algorithms or what feeds them. And i would suspect most users aren’t posting for value or marketing purposes. Their posts are superficial to begin with.
Yep, reposts are greatly beneficial. And zaps are def a monetary exchange of value. However so are ‘likes’…
‘Likes’ are serve multiple purposes. I see a post that I agree with but I don’t want to repost it because the content doesn’t fit the content that I put on my page. And a zap may not be the step I wanna take. But a like… yep. A like lets the poster know that I acknowledge the thought/post/note and kept it moving. The poster is now aware that his post/note was seen and ‘celebrated’. The poster now has a gauge on what their audience gravitates towards or just appreciates.
Sure you can phase them out and users will just not have that option and make adjustments. But to say it doesn’t have an equal value as zaps or reposts is a bit of an under-sight.
Tyoed this on the subway. Sorry for the mistakes
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I see the word algorithm many time 🧐
Agree. When you do something, do with a proof of energy
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Set up your lightning address in your profile. I'll zap u
Agreed.
'Likes' are the little sisters of Big Zap.
yes?
You’re reading this wrong. Likes inform an algorithm.
Do you have a strategy around managing fake zaps? Or zap automation? Or I’ll zap your posts 10,000 sats, if you zap mine back 10,000?
At present zaps seem like value transfer, but once abused more widely, they are not exactly a measure of value.
The debate be like:
Sats or dopamine?
Both
#zaps gives me dopamine
Fake account here boys
No wonder my Twitter TL was so messed up
Had several abrupt shifts in policy . Lol!
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Yes, not exclusively in your note, in general it is starting to sound too many times. While it is inevitable that some app will develop it, the fundamental question is, which one will be the first? I have my bet made 😅
On the other hand, nice talking to you 💜
Are there options to switch off aspects of algos, so people can tailor them to their own preferences?
It is not a fake account, he has removed the nip05 verification, I don't know exactly why.
Just without nip05 it leads one to think that it is a fake account.
On the other hand nice to meet you #[3] 🙂
Once the LN is fully integrated I’d love an option to hide the like and only tap zap…
I agree,zaps and likes are a different thing,a like proves you have seen ir read, or find funny. Maybe it is just a comment or a meme. A zap is a note of value and a different thing. And I am pleased people enjoys so much to give. And please let is not forget the value of comments and feedback that prove we do not echo in silence. Nostr is a social network after all. I am looking forward true organic engagement and new friends.
Likes are the simplest social signal you can send. Our problem is that Big Social has bent social signals into algorithms optimized for engagement. The social signals themselves are not evil.
I think money is a worse proxy for value than simple signals like “approval” that humans have been using forever. Some people are poor and will be under-represented. Some people are rich and can send huge zaps. I’m not interested in the market value of peoples notes. I’m interested in learning from them, being entertained, keeping in touch with friends I’m not with.
Micropayments are great for many things. But let’s not build all relationships on money. Trust is where it’s at.
Liking is akin to nodding..
I can nod even if I disagree with someone. I can nod even if I don’t like what someone is saying. It’s an acknowledgement that I understand what they mean, and because it costs nothing, that’s how it should be used.
High value would correlate with zaps received, not zaps given.
Damus already has this. OnlyZaps mode
How come no one is talking about this?
Don't underestimate the amount of people stacking sats for economic reasons.
There's things I support without wanting to throw money at it.
There has been lots of discussion the past couple days.
People have been flaming JB for removing the ability to like ppls posts that are in OnlyZap mode even tho the recipient will never see it. So he reverted that.
This is all in Damus TestFlight.
You don’t have to b
But it doesn’t hurt, does it?
Walk a mile in my shoes as a choice is a luxury.
In which case, they will have to buy #bitcoin. Thereby, driving the value of #bitcoin up, which, in turn, would destroy their establishment.
Indeed 😊
LN is not in there, you still need to open a wallet
Right, I’m just talking about hiding the like button and only having the option to zap.
Given the extra dopamine release with zaps, and how we saw society change with likes, I'm not sure where we are heading in a way.
Never before social media people were all rushing to record a disaster on their cameras thinking how popular the video was going to be
Now hide reposts and we’re a financial powerhouse (or something)
No I read that right.
You read mine wrong. I dont think there should be an algorithm to inform. An algo is the source of many problems.
Turns social media into a drug.
Encourages advertisers to hack it.
Discourages 1:1 sociality (making actual friends) in place of becoming more popular.
This is also my problem with zaps. Its like paying people to be your friend? Whatever happened to the intrinsic value that relationships used to have on their own??
people voicing their need for "likes" is a bad look for this community - change my mind
Lets put the SOCIAL back in social media! Stop making it about freakin money.
This may not be a bad thing, if only to remind the user of the duality of discourse / financial transaction. Lumping both into a single "thing" may yield unexpected or undesired consequences, like commercialization of thought and speech. The equivalent of clickbait.
We are here to change social media for the better, not keep the status quo.
Likes are cheap and abundant, like fiat. Pure noise.
Are you sure? I never seen him post so much anywhere
Yes I am sure. I don't think he'll answer, but he is
So many people liked this post lol
Any app that uses an algorithm will be one that I will very likely abandon.
I do not trust algorithms to feed me.
The same way I don’t trust AI to teach me.
Call him #Nostrdamus
Is that an honest question or is it gonna lead to a pitch?
امیدوارم یک روز چنین چیزی اتفاق بیوفتد💖🌹👌
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Nah likes are fine, they are also polite acknowledgements of stuff you ...well like, but don't need reposting or zapping, or sometimes even inspire a reply. Replies probably more valuable than all of these options imo.
I agree, zap dynamic does not exist outside of social media dynamics, parasocial dynamics, and often signal nothing of value outside of the two parties even.
Like/Reaction is only for "I saw your post and here's my reaction" or "I like your post".
Replacing reactions completely by zaps sounded like you are trying to make nostr bitcoiner exclusive.
Shared this then.
Still agree with it now.
Zaps only ⚡️
HIDE LIKE
i liked this.
Aged well 🍷
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I don't need to see the same thing reposted 100 times on my feed though
So long as I can send my 🤙 along with my zaps, I'll be happy.
View quoted note →Zaps are the zero emotion way of exchanging value for a post. Removing the react would turn nostr gray and dull. Not all value can be represented by sats.
For the user who wishes to conserve their sats and still send their regards, reacts are tool for them. Just like an interaction in person, you don't give someone a dollar for making you smile. The reaction is by itself the reward.
View quoted note →The guy is light years ahead of everyone
Love to see it & couldn’t agree more
Yes! 🤩
What about a zap button that expresses something similar to a “dislike” button? The user experience on platforms like YouTube suffer without them imo
Yes. I guess. I'm not really onboard with this, although can't really grasp solid arguments.
The marketing would have to be good, because Nostr doesn't have already mentioned reputation, doesn't solve problems of a normie..basically I'm coming to the thought that this thing is basically against onboarding new people.
Why would anyone learn about zap and invest own money into something so wild with small reach? Nostr is already fighting this, letting people think they have to pay (I know, one sat, still you need to have it first) will drive many off.
I know what's good here, but hope you'll get my point. I think Nostr isn't grown up yet.
On the other hand it might be better to do it soon and grow slower than big noisy shift later on.
Also it would be nice to have feature, that zaps 1 immediately. I'm on fruit and zapping everyone for every shit would drive me crazy.
I've unfollowed people who repost too much, it's like they add their timeline to mine. Spam. People who put in valuable posts, but then comes a wave of other stuff. It gets annoying quickly, no matter how good the stuff is.🧐
Mention is way more interesting, the reposter has to put in more effort than just a click.
Not all of us have a billion dollars sir
Yeah Im not reposting this but I do agree lol
⚡️ > 🔁 > ❤️
Why I zap when I can on Damus! The best zapping client!
I just put my reputation on the line Fren with the repost of your note…….
But it is merited as I concur…….
I liked your note, but it's ok, because I did so ironically.
No, you don't need to have it first. You can get zapped but saying good things :)
Yes! I just got here a few days ago. I have but a miniscule number of Sats. Even if I had a whole sackful of Bitcoin though, I can't seem to figure out this wallet situation yet. I can't zap anyone using my clunky current setup.
And a thumbs down takes away a sat 😂
Let's make a deal...
jack
I hope someday reposts and zaps completely replace the need for “likes”/🤙🏼.
Reposts and zaps are true value exchange…and have a real cost: your reputation or money.
Likes are superficial and exist only to inform an algorithm.
Relevance algorithms have their place, but they are best informed by a truly costly action.
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Where’s the button for that
I disagree
@jack
Reposts extend reach for notes you deem important enough to show up on your timeline.
Zaps are an acknowledgement of value recieved. It's v4v but it's only a numerical transaction.
Likes on nostr can show emotion and tell a story because we can pick the emojis. I'm intentional with my likes.
View quoted note →What if the post doesn't really give me any value but I still like it? I mean come on y'all.. I can like something but not feel I have to pay for it.
jack
I hope someday reposts and zaps completely replace the need for “likes”/🤙🏼.
Reposts and zaps are true value exchange…and have a real cost: your reputation or money.
Likes are superficial and exist only to inform an algorithm.
Relevance algorithms have their place, but they are best informed by a truly costly action.
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I love that this has over 1400 likes. 🤔
And time.
No more likes. I only zap now. If I can’t even zap one skinny sat, do I even really like it. I think not.
Stay humble and zap sats!!
There is nothing wrong with algorithms choosing the content you see, if you are allowed to choose the algorithm or define the algorithm by your self.
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