Our phones spy on us
Our cars spy on us
Our software spies on us
Our stores spy on us
Our social media spies on us
Our credit cards spy on us
Our banks spy on us
Our internet providers spy on us
3 letter agencies spy on us
We could do with less spying.
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take to the country & work to homestead & unplug
We just want to live a reasonably enjoyable life.
I’m told it was possible as a hunter/gatherer.
Violence became very profitable for a while, but I’m glad violence doesn’t pay well anymore, with Bitcoin.
they all need to get off my lawn
Privacy and secrecy are 2 completely different goals.
Anyone who wants to spy has the ram given from the silicon chip.
I don’t trust any of it. 

Yes! These very reasons are why we made the Sovran Pro! Let'sss gooo!
"Smart" insulation, the walls have ears
Paranoia is a valid worldview at this point
Migrate to #nostr and #bitcoin
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Your neighbors spy on you too.
Absolutely right!
You forgot the "smart home", and AI...
The most dangerous thing is AI
Humans organized for tyranny. Thus, we can organize for liberty. Full-on batshit liberty!
When you feel like you are alone, don't for get to say hi to your spies.
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right
They do all that, yet installing a stupid simple ublock origin extension blocks their efforts to push their annoying ads on us xD
"What?? You must be a terrorist!!"
It’s not really. If I wanted no spying I couldn’t have it. Even the Amish are probably watched more closely than all of us.
If you choose to have a phone (which I believe most people do) then you are actively choosing to be spied on.
Unless you drive an old or classic car, you’re spied on.
Shop for food? ….
These are not choices you can opt out of - they are our necessity now.
Its not always better apps/get off SM.
Its putting better policies/Fines to get these Big tech companies to respect our Privicy.
I have an old (lol) 2021 motorola defy, which I unlocked the firmware and at some time ran magisk on it. Now, I just want it to be a modem and run one app, which I want so I can have a house based alarm telling me when sunrise is coming up and when the sun goes into "night" mode.
Did you know that the google "phone" app has by befault permissions to change system settings? And I witnessed it repeatedly doing so, re-enabling things and ignoring DND and all sorts. Yeah, I eventually shut that thing up but you know what?
If you are looking for some motivation to move towards cutting the wireless mobile connection, just check the permissions on your phone's google phone app.
You're welcome.
I'm gonna do it pretty damn soon. Might need to fully root that damn thing and rip everything out of it that isn't a modem and router. But it will be worth it. It has literally already cost me a good 2 days of my life this last week with it's disobedience.
Older cars don't have it. Mine doesn't.
Thank you for sharing this.
Crazy how the cars came out in the lead there ain’t it?
Yea everything's becoming "smart". I was like I don't need my this and that to be connected to my phone. Wth!
Exactly
The problem is those cars are too old and won’t be around much longer. We need another solution.
Yeah, my old Alfa Romeo just let me drive… 😉
Wait is this really a thing? I mean anything seems possible these days, never heard of this tho 😅
My car is not too old. How old is too old for ya?
And they built them better back then. Ask the many ppl who have old cars. They hold well.
New cars are worse. For example, Nissans had bad engines. A friend's 2-yo car stalled on the street and it will cost thousands to get a new engine when she still has payments on it. She was forced to buy another car cuz it's cheaper.
Not that I'm aware of haha
If my heat pump doesn't post to nostr when I need to change my filter I don't want it!
It's fine most people would trade it for "security" or a CBDC welfare program or even for status or idk they would trade it for a peice of bread perhaps 🤔
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Has never worked and will never work. They are in bed together.
Edward helped the masses feel better about talking and spreading truths they want others to know about.
Assange is a hero as well.
#digitalfreedom
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I need to figure out the phone thing. I like having one, but I hate having one. It knows every place I go. It hears everything I say. And I bought the fucking thing. I feel like a fool, honestly. The thing is, they really are amazing tools. Or could be.
I won't ever spy on you baby.
go anonymous when possible.
have several email accounts and aliases instead of using same one
have several phone #s (VOIP, temp, etc) rarely give out true cellular #
keep it safe, keep it secret. Don't blab your shit all over the place.
use grapheneos phone
use more private and secure email like protonmail. Also their VPN is good.
use quad9 for DNS
prefer privacy coins over bitcoin, eth and the like where possible.
I think I'm down to just #1, #8, and #9. If I used a VPN, Tor, an some other tools, I could getdown to #1. I don't think my banking apps would work without Google though. If I stack enough, those won't be needed.
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People still really haven't appreciated how bad the car thing is. Or the phone thing. They think they do, but they don't. The full range of capabilities has yet to be used routinely — companies and states are both trying to keep it beneath the waterline. The public is intended to be unsure what it is that they're looking at, and why it matters. It is the news report playing in the background of a disaster movie. It is the half-glimpsed monster from a horror reel — implied, but never fully shown.
History is still going to look back at this period with enormous bewilderment that we did not do more to stop what is coming. The signs were there.
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#Nostr and bitcoin seem like the start of a new hope. What other options do we have?
Indra is an interesting project that is trying to evolve TOR with #Bitcoin Lightning payments instead of POW, as a DDoS-mitigation measure. Might interest you!
It’s still in development from what I’ve heard…
No shit Sherlock!!!! Yet people still buy I Phones and Goolag phones. They still allow their cars to send info about where they live and where they go. They sign up for loyalty cards to get pennies off from an overinflated box of cereal that tastes like but has less nutritional value than cardboard.
These are the people that think voting counts???? That the people they vote for are different fromtheose they don't vote for. For fuck sake, if voting did anything, do you really believe we'd be allowed to do it?
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It’s interesting to me that you still say “we”, considering how far you went to try to expose it and stop it. you did your part. the rest of us need to pick up the slack
It seems that promoting open-source products and technologies might be one of the only solutions.
They like to trust us, for that the need of verification…aka spy.
Government is here to save us.
And that we live in confort happily ever after. 🫏💨🤮
The spying is one part, but then it is the application of prediction and programming that is applied that turns passive spying into actionable facism.
what can one do about the car thing?
So…. you’re cool with the aliens destroying all wifi and satellites right?
Drive an older car with no smart computers nor sensors on board. Lots of fun I can assure you. You will still be tracked by your plate. And with that, well, just pretend to be someone else now and then.
All together now:
Parallel construction
I use a Pixel with Grapheme OS and no sim card !
What I’m trying to say is, with every benefit there is a cost.
Most people aren’t interesting enough for them or anyone else to care
A lot of wasted resources imho and one day someone is going to have to answer as to where those resources went or what the roi was, and that’s where it gets extremely dangerous
When an agency needs to find a reason for its existence...that is a recipe for all of us losing 😔
What is the solution besides becoming a Luddite and only driving cars built before 2000?
I’m sure the president knows what I’m putting in WhatsApp messages, but weird that a certain person doesn’t like this??? Doesn’t he just loooove watching/being watched or something..??
Am I missing something..??
> *History is still going to look back at this period with enormous bewilderment that we did not do more to stop what is coming. The signs were there.*
The average normie is an idiot. I get weird stares when I tell people don't use Messenger. Use Signal. Or refuse to allow Alexa in the same room with me.
Yes. My "privacy" decisions are nothing compared to threats Snowden is talking about. But that even stresses the point more. **Even little dumb steps like mine are considered "crazy" or too inconvenient by the average normie.**
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Think about the productivity that could be unleashed 💜
No solutions, just trade offs as George Gammon often says 💜
It’s for your safety ser. 🙃
Ever heard of smart meters? Government wants to know how much electricity you are consuming, but strangely it's not about weed or bitcoin. It's just control for control sake because why not? Phones spy, cars spy, might as well...
:')
& i was wondering
do spiders spy on us 👀
🥵🥵🥵🥵
😂 😂 😂 😂
You really believe that don't you
Peeps gotta up their public WiFi hygiene. Just say no.
Damn spyders in every corner
Who still uses plates on their car?
Explain please. In where I live, you wouldn't go far without a license plate.
Spy on them back?
#frt
Simulation theory
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by history you mean aliens?
It's already here. This isn't some zombie movie where they are chasing you walking. It's the cops who are driving by me every single day. Denying me the right to catch a bus to go down the street, they go through all of my files and applications for jobs I've applied at. And today they scanned my photo ID, and they had mint Mobile send me a code to scan a barcode for my SIM card info for my phone
I'm isolated and not allowed to talk to anyone still today on the bus someone wore a visitor badge. I know they go through my stuff when I leave the house. I have no freedom. No rights at all. They are still having people who do talk to me about the # 4. The black guys are Furious mad they know what's going on. Human Rights on LinkedIn they advocate and got the right answers. It's a lynching a hate crime because of someone's race or homeless status
Governor Ron DeSantis has censorship over peoples phones.
The world takes all kinds and so will the future. History is full of stories that guide us through. It's not easy nor should it be, constant vigilance is the price of freedom. Knowing how to work on cars is an important skill old or new, other simple things like knowing how to get where you are going before you go, in these things also lie the innovations to move past and then into new problems. What ever it is that you do, just build it with the values you want to see caried forward
In the advent of superior sound money, #Bitcoin enables all market actors to engage in a fair, voluntary game of mutual reciprocity without the risk of mistrust.
Use an old car.
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Old cars are cool. Go back for enough, and they're EMP proof as well.
I believe one of goverments foundative capabilities is surveillance and total control of public comms. With strong influence of private ones. What possibly they have not foreseen was corporations achieving almost complete control of the private side of it and competing with them on public forums. Interesting times. From time to time I still check as example if Europe developed a home grown mobile operating system. With my surprise answer is always negative. If goverments can not and don’t want to I wonder what space of manouvering we actually have.
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Sure.
But it's about cost benefits as always.
You can easily mitigate like 80% just by using cash, some basic secure communication, backup etc. And ten years old car will get you where you need as easily as modern car with all the spying features.
If you want to... 🤷🏼♂️Or better if the cost of it is OK for you.
You can of course go to much more severe measures. But I feel in current state of affairs is much better to appear as average citizen to the system. (Because to avoid it completely is much harder, especially with family and in Europe, where are no big empty places to live 19 century style.)
Pfft. Either participate or don’t, we all have a choice… in the end: “no one here gets out alive.” 

Wondering what your daily carry is as far as phones go? You full on flip or something like Graphene?
You need a loicence, plate! (it's a joke)
Check out /r/loicense
I hope my friends in the iris.to area are doing well in maintaining their own privacy

The articles I read about this said that the cars have hidden cameras recording us. I am extremely skeptical about this detail of the stories. Has anyone fact check this detail or found one of these cameras?
Do the cars have a hidden mic/camera recording to a hard drive and a cell chip (paid by who?) to send data to cloud servers?
Do the dealers offload the hidden video recordings?
Does your cell phone transmit the video recordings when you connect your phone to Bluetooth?
Anyway, I’m sure it’s all pretty awful but this one specific part of the story doesn’t add up to me. And the details around this would be interesting and worth knowing.
If there really is hidden cameras in the cars, according the passengers, we should have a database where we identify where those are in which models and how to disable them.
FWIW the best investigative journalism spies on them and reports back
You can run, but there is nowhere you can hide....
The world is full of spy idiots. 🕵️
Yes.
Less spying? Simple, aint it?
See, the spying is a false cored social constructs believing life being a versus sport, and how homosexuality has been considered spies of the versus game, like james bond pretending to be straight, and why turing was chemical casteration poster boy.
Life is a not a versus game, but death is.
@jack Example: Apparently I have a Carfax account “courtesy of the dealership” and somehow unbeknownst to me I was just given an “award” badge for car maintenance and along with stats. Top 11% for a car?!
This account monitors *everything* on my car. The good is that it can warn me and bring my attention to defects or needed maintenance or even possibly detect danger. The trade off is privacy.
What happens if I don’t get regular oil changes and tire rotations?!
Obviously there is some sort of hidden metrics and scoring system already in place that no one else is privy to.
It can be very dangerous for people who can’t perfectly maintain their car on schedule. Like will they be downgraded or something? How do “underwriters” or whoever else use this data?!💖


I read an article on ZH about the SEC spying on US citizens, and it made me think of this note...
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Graphene brah
Bullshit, literally everything people worry about has happened.
We tend to use only the rear view mirror. It seems inevitable that we'll respond after the fact, and and probably too late.
couldn't agree more!!!
This is part of the "package" I'm working with
Oh look, somebody not feeling good when the false cores and corruption is not working
Who let you out of the cage
Are those satanic versed confessions supposed to cause an emotional impact?
Those would be better efficient when not eating your logical reasonsing like shit.
Kinda comes across as pathetic.
It’s the whole “Smart” thing, one can scarcely escape it, it’s in our tvs, houses, phones and God knows what else. Not an excuse, though it is the refuge of a lazy mind.
I pulled the fuse from the modem circuit in the car.
Open your eyes
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And, they spy all your data & slower down your browsing routine...
They’re spying, or let the government spy, because they can sell to the gov expensive software, hardware & everything.
"Our social media spies on us"
Not that nostr is end to end encrypted or anything, free for the whole world to spy on you...
Not on nostr certainly...
And we don’t even get security or assistance when needed in return
But...Alexa sets cooking timers for me...
And besides, I have nothing to hide...