If you are either actively working on, or dream of becoming part of a sovereign citadel community like this, I want to follow you. 
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It's the only option
Here i am ๐๐ผโโ๏ธ
20% true, 20% questionable, 60% utter nonsense.
Average life expectance of 30 years. Let's go back to nature.
Yes.
Si, quiero vivir asi
The Amish paradise, and yet some Amish aren't cut out for it.
Google the hutterites.
Not really an organized community, but I live in a private micro-village with everyone living in wood houses, surrounded by people who have their own gardens, grow and prepare herbs, feed the birds and stray cats. Most didnโt get jabbed. Lots of interesting folks thus far. Everyoneโs minding their own business while being willing to share resources, knowledge and help each other out. Hope to orangepill some once we meat each other more towards the end of winter.
All surrounded by nature. Unfortunately my family is barely on speaking terms.
This is an absolute dream ๐
Exactly what I wanted to say!
No less cancer.
How can you be sure? Did you check that this is factual?
I'll be founding a town someday here in Patagonia.
Amen
Iโm actually working on a family constitution right now, and part of a tight four generation clan. And most of the people in my circles are doing something similar.
A few thoughts:
Itโs VERY hard to make this happen without it being strictly family. Iโve seen it fail in real time multiple times. In my constitution there is a clause that if an outsider wants to join the family he must change his last name.
Obviously the pictures are ai. But I wouldnโt recommend living that close even with family. Everyone is going to have slightly different parenting styles, and if the cousins are hanging out together 24/7 that can cause tension, and they have a harder time focusing enough to do some school work. Walking distance is great, but not within eyesight imo.
This has been tried before ๐ฌ The sin of man always gets in the way. But by all means, go for it
This.
Amazing - I lived in Bariloche for a few weeks last year and absolutely loved it - can't wait to go back.
So many excellent plots of land to create something like this in ๐ฆ๐ท, I know @Micael is working on this as well
Dreaming of this.
For now, Staying humble and stacking sats!
how do i help build this in my home region ? looking for a mentor and some local guidance
Let's go
While not to this degree, my inlaw family in Egypt lived like this for a while and we are trying to keep the trend alive.
One side of the family built an apartment building, with a different unit for each family, and a garden on the roof. The other side lived in separate apartments, but they get together 5x to 10x per year.
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Me and the lady are headed your way next month to spend February and March (maybe longer) volunteering on projects in the north of Patagoniaโฆ would love to visit and lend a hand if you have a project, or just grab a coffee
paradise
An open source citadel project document is going to be in the works soon and developed over the next year as we travel Patagonia and volunteer on various projects
I love all of this. The question though: who do they all marry? ๐
This sort of thing exists in form at least in places like Cul De Sac, but they're also paired with bikable, and transit-friendly neighborhoods... The type of thing that I'm guessing most of the people on this thread tend to vote against.
Culdesac
Walkable communities connecting neighbors, local businesses, and all that cities have to offer | Culdesac
The first walkable neighborhood of its kind in the US designed to connect residents, local shops, and all that Tempe has to offer.
In which country is that?
Germany.
Yes sir...
The idea is compelling. But itโs only sustainable if different families of the same kin live there.
Putting together a random number of small families (1-2 kids), just because everyone is a bitcoiner wonโt work.
People will spend there a nice 1 or 2 years and move on
I was not aware of private micro villages in Germany. Interessant.
Schulpflicht kills a little bit this citadel ethos I guess
It's just big private grounds with multiple houses on it. Some are permanent residents, some just visit over the weekends or holidays. It's not an official village. It used to be a "holiday village" up until the 70s or so until it got abandoned. The landlord then bought the land and all the decrepit houses on it and built everything up from the ground. Very cool guy. He's not even getting much out of it in terms of money.
I grew up in a setting with substantial resemblance to this. Colony in South America where the majority of the people were my cousins. Elements of Amish mixed in with a community setting. Hierarchy was largely determined by participation in the church. The intersection of religion and community governance were major factors in constantly changing tensions in the community. I know Amish here in the US who have some of these values. Sexual abuse is prevalent in these communities and is easily hidden so that's probably what I would fear the most in a community like this. I think shared values and a constitution for the community is more important than it being family. There needs to be a predetermined and well documented exit plan as people will at some point want to leave. Note that religion draws people together but often pushes them apart.
Overall my perspective is this would be fantastic if done well. Individual property rights still need to be protected. AI would be extremely helpful in thinking of scenarios that should be documented in the constitution.
I'm not sure what this is meant to prove. I balk at the assert of a 'should' statement. There are thousands of viable social structures in the world. I'm happy to listen to most people's opinions on what they find most fulfilling. But to make claims of how things are meant to be, as if there is a correct answer, is retarded.
Working towards it
Heey...! Of course.
I'm in the northern Patagonia.
Please reach!
Tell me where would you be doing.
I'm about 50km from Neuquรฉn. Maybe you land there in the airport?
Been restoring an old 80 series Land Cruiser in Paraguay for the past 18 monthsโฆ almost finished with the project, we are all set up to 4x4 camp ๐๏ธ so we will be driving down and bouncing around to different projects, definitely in your area! ๐๐ผ๐ช๐ผ
Awesome !
Yes. That would be amazing please reach when you are near and let's do something.
You are welcomed
big time
We have 3 houses left on the property from when it was like this, my father's mother's grandfathers family came here like 150 years ago from Scotland.
Family fell apart when father's mother's parents died.
They were the glue, everyone went their own way after that.
find like minded people and acquire land.
The tree platform in the middle makes me think this is based on pagan Germanic town structure.
They would build these tree platforms in the centre of the town and have festivals with people dancing on the platform and around the base of the tree.
Before the agricultural revolution people lived long healthy lives.
Many skeletons from before 10k years ago show advanced age, worn teeth, broken bones that have healed.
The myth about ancient people only living to 30 is based on post agricultural societies and ignores most of human history
Presently live on our boat but when weโre too old for that we plan to live in a community with our best friends in Thailand. Couldnโt think of a nicer way to grow old than being surrounded by life long friends.
Did you??
Will do Sir! ๐๐ผ๐ซก
so basically amish?
Working towards it for my children.
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This is exactly what crossed my mind when thinking about how society should look like, we will get there eventually.
I am ! Land has been purchased and is currently being transformed into a usable homestead for my family. Currently suburban homesteading until the big move. We are making a lot of progress but still more to do before we can be on the homestead full time.
Ello
Yes