PSA
This place will likely be overwhelmed with trolls, morons, and angry and bitter people one day soon like all the rest. Muting will be a very necessary tool in your toolbox (and it even helps other with your web of trust), donโt forget to use it before getting angry and fighting with people trying to trigger you.
This is also how you can keep the vibe up indefinitely, curate your graph deliberately. Use the network, donโt let the network use you.
GM ๐
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Well said. GM PV ๐งก๐
Great advice, GM! ๐ซก
Gm
This will become increasingly important as more and more governments control legacy corporate media or try to ban it like the United States plans to ban TikTok or Brazil banned X.
The assholes will have no place left besides nostr.
View quoted note โlove your work guy!
Yes! Nostr doesnโt fix all angry and sad people in the world :)
But it helps you to make better decision
Good morning!
This was a great reminder! ๐ซก
Read this in my head in Matthew McConaugheyโs voice: โyou gotta uuuse the network, donโt let the network uuuse you.โ
Wise words.
GM ser
Truth. Curate your environment. Garbage in garbage out. Mute the garbage.
@Guy Swann Can you clarify how my muting of someone helps others avoid the muted and vice versa?
True, true, Nostr is a first place where I have to actively manage my follow and block lists. It is a bit of a different approach, but not a huge problem.
Guy Swann
PSA
This place will likely be overwhelmed with trolls, morons, and angry and bitter people one day soon like all the rest. Muting will be a very necessary tool in your toolbox (and it even helps other with your web of trust), donโt forget to use it before getting angry and fighting with people trying to trigger you.
This is also how you can keep the vibe up indefinitely, curate your graph deliberately. Use the network, donโt let the network use you.
GM ๐
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I also have to remind myself that some will feel like trolls initially, but may actually be new users with different ideas or that lack perspective. I sometimes have to remind myself how it can be healthy to have varied opinions in the room.
How are we going to fight spam bots? I already see some automatically posting replies to posts. It will be impossible to out-mute them as they can create infinite new nsecs at no cost.
Web of trust.
You could auto-mute anyone who is completely outside your web of trust without any one step connection to accounts you know. And the ability to see it in the list so you can expand, versus completely hiding it could also be based on degrees of separation. ie. More than 6 degrees? Hide completely. 5 degrees or less, leave a โshow postโ option for muted comments.
Leveraging the web of trust is a massively underappreciated tool, imo.
What sorcery is this? ๐ค
For the clients that show web of trust statistics. I think it was on coracle that it has a little circle with a number next to names. I got a message from
@Lyn Alden but noticed the circle had a -3 in it and in less than a second I knew it was an impersonator.
(Negative 3 means no one I know is following this person, and 3 people I know have muted this person)
Iโm honestly shocked this isnโt a standard for every client. Itโs one of the simplest and lowest barrier ways to deal with spam that I know of, thatโs uniquely available in #nostr
I think coracle and satlantis are the only clients/tools I know explicitly utilizing this so far. Spam isnโt bad enough for it to be a necessity, but it will be soon, for better or worse.
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Someday people will understand that #peercuration will solve this issue. But right now people dont. Pain seems to be required.
I know you read it before, but maybe if you read it again maybe it will click at a deeper level? We can fight back using #peercuration
GitHub
GitHub - baumbit/peercuration
Contribute to baumbit/peercuration development by creating an account on GitHub.
We can leverage the web of trust by creating a crowd based decentralized sorting function called #peercuration A bonus it that it will help solve the issue with centralized relays:
GitHub
GitHub - baumbit/peercuration
Contribute to baumbit/peercuration development by creating an account on GitHub.
For real. Iโm making a list of features for clients that are optimal or recommended after being a new user on 5 or 6 clients in the last couple weeks. My recommendations are user-centric because I donโt know the protocol level too well. This seems like a big miss to not have this on the clients Iโve tried. Iโm iOS and macOS. On what client have you seen it leveraged?
I believe Coracle is the only one Iโve used that has it right next to the username (kinda like the verified check), which I think is the natural place, imo.
Iโm sure others use it as well but I donโt know which ones off the top of my head or in what ways they utilize it exactly.
I know Satlantis intends to use this extensively
Power to the plebs!
Iโd pay sats for a feed that only shows notes from npubs that were active before a certain date. It can be called: Eternal August.
Six Degrees of Separation was a great film, honestly..... ๐๐ป
๐ฏ I hope more of the popular clients integrate better curation tools for users. Right now mute and unfollow are about the only way to manage noisy/talkative follows. They arenโt necessarily doing anything โbadโ but they clutter your feed when you follow them. The problem is that muting and unfollowing them helps tame your feed, but messes with web of trust stuff. Lists or follow groups/categories or something would help.
Yeah, anyone with more than x hops from you could just be auto muted.
Thats a really good idea.
Has this been implemented anywhere yet?
I follow you but donโt talk too much
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How does muting help others? I thought muting was private (or as private as can be achieved given the current state of Nostr.)
Haha I donโt have you muted as far as I can tell ๐
I nuked my old mute list a couple weeks ago to start fresh, so hopefully itโs updated everywhere. It had gotten too large ๐๐
Not that I know of, but Iโm hoping it catches on. Iโm too busy with other things to fight with making my own Nostr client, but itโll end up on my list of things to fund if others donโt do it first.
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Lol
It might depend on the client but there is a public mute metric. I donโt know of any that give the option to decide between doing it locally (private) or broadcasting it for your npub so itโs synced on all clients (public)
Oh, and really enjoyed the new podcast format this week.... ๐ฅ๐ฅ
I believe Amethyst does proactive ones kinda like this, if a few of my contacts mark something as spam or whatever, it'll mark it for me, too, without doing anything. It was a bit controversial when first rolled out.
GM! โ โ๏ธ ๐ซ
Gm!
At least we can can find a solution and apply it. Both protocol and most of its applications are open source.
Indeed!
๐ฏ spot on. I always ask myself, if I choose to engage, am I ready to receive any unpleasant comments towards me and if the outcome justifies the energy I invest on it? u too have an amazing day! ๐๐ซฐ๐ค
Good advice ๐ซก ๐ฏ
Gm!
Just wanted to drop a line to say I discovered your podcast on here and have been binging it for the past few days! Rest assured, all my normie friends will be subscribers in no time
Itโs the trigger trolls who are the worst. Some donโt even know is they are doing it.
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@Guy Swann orange pilled me!
I will be enjoying the pleasantries until that day comesโฆ GMโ๏ธ
Yes! I was just thinking "the fucking trolls" they are real on Nostr. annoying af.
View quoted note โAll this whthout central moderation
Weโre going to have to get better at curating and distributing mute lists we can subscribe to.
I see that coming too ๐๐๐
What about bots? Does nostr solves this?
GM network
I still think blocking or the ability to limit who can read one's notes are also needed.
kind 10000 isn't private
Being able to curate your experience is the key
I like it as:
A - you have far more control
B - it requires proof-of-work to get the outcome you want
WoT based feeds are superior to feeds filtered by mute lists. ReplyGuy and ReplyGirl use tons of keys and you'd have to mute every single one. Feeds and threads filtered by a sensible follow distance threshold work much better once you have an established social graph.
"OG's razor"
Check check and check ๐ซก
Only option is to send to a specific group of people. Otherwise people can just create a new npub to see.
