Perhaps coming to wisp soon, I think normies would prefer this. Use dark wisp if you wanna see racism
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Clients should double down on allowing people to moderate their own comment sections: eliminate annoying, unwanted, harassing replies by just deleting them from your own inbox relays. Maybe even ban someone from ever replying or mentioning you again. Of course, it requires those inbox relays to support this flow, but aside from that it should just work.
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If you do discourage abuse by having an expandable section with the hidden posts. That way people who want to verify what things were hidden and why can easily do so. If its them someone hiding all opinions they agree with its transparent. Relays dropping them outright I find to far.
But your relay, posters choice? If yes to that I wouldn't stop using your relay but I would definately make sure to use relays that don't and more actively mirror content.
My client is the lightest and best performing though. I compared the looks to all the other clients side by side and I don't get how people can even use the others. Also, PosterChan has a built-in desktop mode and is your own private LLM/Cloud built on Nostr.
Maybe it mostly lacks organization but it just never really felt right. One big thing to make it feel less cheap & vibe coded is 1 don't use the Cyberpunk neon as that just screams ai. 2 get it to actually create its own icons instead of using emojis. I might be too picky idk but thats just how I feel about it. seriously though emojis do just make things feel cheap
Any feedback is welcomed. Let's get you to be a PosterChan user. Dark and Professional are the normie boring ones. I will even design a new theme for you! I don't really understand the emoji ask. If you can point me in that direction, would be good
Ill give a case this week of why that is not a good idea. There was a scammer on here posing as a girl, it had some suspicious hallmarks so people challenged the account to post a picture with a shoe on her head. The picture that was posted had a gemini watermark hidden, which I could then warn people about and point out. The scammer edited the post with a watermark remover and called me crazy. But, since we could just repost the original screenshots it was ineffective and people were warned against the scam. If that scammer had the power (s)he'd have deleted all the comments pointing it out, and have kept zap farming people who didn't know. And that is just one case, you can launch entire bot armies all promoting certain talking points and boosting. With automated removal of anyone's dissenting comments to push a narrative, nobody would be able to properly call it out in the comments. I think that kind of scenario is very harmful to the discussion. Can be easily prevented by allowing a user to see the comments that the OP wanted to hide if they choose to, just like you already do for your spam detected comments. Then you do get the initial friendly clean comment section, but if someone abuses the system it would be very obvious and they will be called out on it.
ah that solves it! so check this out. all the nostr signers are trash! I built a better one inside the PosterChan Android app. Basically, signers use shitty relays that get rate-limited heavily by default and that breaks your user experience. The PosterChan signer in Settings, is more intelligent and adapts to the app you are connecting to
I will say that I prefer to be able to react to posts with different emojis rather than just the default like. I'll use reacts to do faceplam or thumbs downs sometimes which are the exact opposite meaning of the default.
WoT should help keep the racists at bay but I wish it was easier to see who the sympathizers in my follows are so they can be unfollowed and WoT can do its job. When I go to look at the racists profile to see who follows them it usually doesn't load. This isn't wisp specific. I tried other clients in addition to dark wisp and had similar issues.
Honestly, I don't think these types of twitter like apps are what the normies even want. Even the people on X are cultural or political types. Normies are on things like facebook and Instagram. I think censoring wisp like that defeats the point of nostr without actually building the Normie app you are hoping for. The real Normie app is going to be a shorts scroller with webxdc games, music, and messaging and might not even have a kind 1 feed at all, IMO.
First client to moderate hashtags will be the one normies adopt. The main way of finding new content without an algorithm, the thing that all those legacy social media platforms used before creating personalised algorithms. It was and is hashtags. But on nostr? Full of scammers, spammers, porn, csam. Not seeing that shit should be the default, if people want to see garbage, allow them to turn the filters off, but have them switched on by default.
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Does Wisp have a policy on Qenis? Asking for a friend named Sneako image
100% Since I got here I've been asking for a Facebook styled client or a tiktok styled client because nobody fucking wants another twitter clone. In real life I know at least a thousand people on Facebook, 2 on twitter. Hundreds on tiktok. The ones on twitter, they're not interested in nostr, they already heard about it before I told them. The rest, they aren't interested in a decentralised Twitter clone, but almost everyone of them wants something to replace Facebook / Instagram / Tiktok And their complaints almost always come down to the algorithms and advertising getting worse on those platforms.
Divine is the closest thing we have to Twitter, but 6 seconds is way too short. YouTube shorts go up to 3 minutes long. That's enough for a full song or a bunch of skate tricks or even for very short educational segments (e.g.: math trick in under a minute)
I think I am about to try that as my next project. No kind 1. Just webxdc apps, shorts videos, concord chat groups, and a built in screen grabber to publish play video of you playing the xdc games. And then a built in monero and lightning wallet. That's it.
I never liked vine and I dislike divine for the same reason: too short to do much. I think 30sec-5 minutes is the sweet spot for random video scrolling. 6seconds is so short it all ends up just being weird because they have force things within the time limit.
that view in Discover->Games->WebXDC is all over Nostr. Usually storedin Blossom servers it looks like. PosterChan now supports Webxdc when you click attach, choose webxdc as file type so it loads in the nice UI
What the hell are you talking about? No user can delete another users comments from nostr. It's impossible. Completely and utterly impossible. Scammers can't stop anyone from replying to anything they post. For example, you can't stop me from replying to your posts.
It can't be added to nostr. If I have a copy of a comment you've made on nostr, how the hell are you going to force me to delete it? It won't happen because it can't happen. I run my own relay. I'll keep copies of whatever the hell I want to keep. How are you ever going to stop me?
Ok, what the hell are you talking about? Nothing you do in your copy of Amethyst or Wisp can ever stop me from replying to anything you post. And they'll never be able to. There is no censorship on nostr. You can personally choose to ignore people, or posts, but you can't stop everyone else from seeing everything. There's nothing you can do to stop the entire world from seeing my replys to your posts, even if you don't see them.
Bull shit Amethyst personally censored people from seeing me with with their security filters set on by default. This caused a ruckus a year ago. Amethyst will automatically censor people: 1. Based on User Reports 2. Me advertising my nostr service twice a day automatically. Iris censored be personally using some method. WIsp author made a few posts recently about censorship he's doing
Sure, but the public ones aren't configured for it. So I just stuck it on a webserver and crafted the webxdc event by hand. Gives me the benefit of being able to update it remotely to. It runs on the infra that distributes content to my gameserver players so its either going from a 10gbps server or a location nearest to you.
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but its hard to see the black ones in the dark
The nostr devs say they’re making a better social media app but they just do what mainstream platforms doβ€”they could delete those childprn posting bots at the relay level but instead throw them in your face so that users beg for some kind of self-censorship in the UI
That sounds like a bad idea, Facebook, TikTok and all the other shitty apps are designed to fuck up attention and cognitive processes. Why the fuck would people in their right minds want more of that mind numbing nonsense.
@verita84 you need a onboarding process - not flat touchpoint. Something where the person goes through a few steps to "set up their client" - shit like how windows does it. Wisp does it too - "getting things ready" basically. First onboarding process like choose themes, customisations etc. then login then account setttings/setup.
opt-in toxicity is the only way Nostr grows beyond the early adopter crowd. giving users a toggle respects different thresholds for chaos better than pretending the network doesn't have a dark side.
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Clients should expose relay sets like portfolio allocation: default section, spicy section, paid section. Let the user pick the market instead of pretending there is one canonical room.
When people choose to block you because you're a piece of shit, that's not censorship, that's just common sense. Why is it always absolute shit eating garbage humans like yourself that complain about censorship without ever realising that people are actively choosing to block you because you're a shit eating garbage human being? For example, I'm not getting censored. As a general rule, the vast majority of humans hate shit eating garbage people like you. That's why the vast majority of humans on the planet will always block you, shit on you, ignore you. Get use to it dickhead. It's all you'll ever have for the rest of your life . You'll end up sick and alone in a run down 4th rate disgusting nursing home where the nurses will spit in your food every single time. It's the life you've chosen. Stop whining about it like the little bitch you are and accept your fate.
Keep in mind you genuinely shill your project a LOT compared to others. So if that's perceived as spamming / unwanted then you can rake up reports which trigger those spam filters from people upset by that. Thats not amethysts fault if it then acts on the report count. But from what I understand if people want to follow you it counteracts those. I discovered you through Amethyst so at that time it wasn't an issue.
this is not even related to that and this is a new account. advertising a nostr service twice a day at different times should not mean automatic censorship at the app level for everyone. also, that asshole commentimg also has a ton of user reports. he can be in the same boat and censored in apps based on frivolus user reports against him. My entire point is automatic app censorship is happening but nostr simply cannot comprehend that being a bad thing.
Lol you failed to read and understand my simple argument against app level censorship. You have a ton of user reports against yourself! That makes you a candidate for app censorship too retard!
so the most widely used nostr client today and for the forseable future is preventing people from seeing one anothers posts or replies based on bullshit algorithims and you dont care. image
That's right, I didn't care. But now you've pointed it out, I fully support anything that triggers you this much.
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