Almost 20 years ago and nothing has changed and everything this man said has been proven true over and over again. “We bomb them endlessly and then wonder why they are mad at us.” It’s funny, I’ve had a few friends and family members who are legitimately concerned now that we could be in danger. That “what if we get bombed?” And all I can think is that entire generations in the Middle East have grown up with this fear as a permanent part of their lives. They never knew a time, in a dozen countries, in which they didn’t have to wonder “what if we get bombed?” What do you think that does to a culture? What do you think that does to their view of the west and Israel? After 50 years how could you *not* think that the US deserved to be destroyed? What else do they even know? None of this is confusing. These are the stupidly obvious and self evident results of the bullshit our govts have been engaged in.

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Given how targeted and ostracized I am, how nobody defends me, how nobody defends human rights in general while we keep slipping deeper into unconstitutional fascism - I've been worried about this in the US for a few years myself, and you should be, too. We don't get to just do this to the middle east while we're magically protected from it turning around on us.
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TK ti@tk21.co 11 months ago
Kinetic war is my red line. I became a libertarian because of my opposition to the GWOT
In no way whatsoever have I suggested that the solution is to say “please stop” and that this would work. This is a massive assumption. I’ve literally said nothing more than that the solution is NOT, “kill their sons too.”
Fair enough, that was a bit of a stretch, but it is based on what I hear ( if not from you directly. ) What I would say is when you say "who would have the courage to stop being a disgusting human being" my premise is that we know if one side stops, the other re-arms until such time they can try again, right? And furthermore, we should not imagine a regime that openly works toward the destruction of a country and our people share the moral view that they are 'disgusting' They think they are morally justified. They think they already have the moral high ground, surely?
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unknown 11 months ago
I don’t think he has missed the point. Doing all those things, In particular not committing genocide and not deliberately starving children would go a long way to keeping Israel safe. While Israelis imagines they’re unsafe the Palestinians are literally being killed by Israelis who are feeling that they are the ones being threatened. Make it make sense please.
But you can't erase what has been done, right? One side openly says they would commit genocide if they could - they don't even hide it. You think if Israel stopped now, that goal would change somehow?
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unknown 11 months ago
One side says it and one side does it. The side that’s doing it should stop. Like the old saying goes “dropping the equivalent of 5x Hiroshima’s A-bomb on me will break my bones but words will never hurt me”.
Here's a very interesting reply from an anon I read on X... ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ As an Iranian, I can tell you the situation is no longer just political—it's existential. We are trapped between two collapsing structures: one internal, one external. On one hand, we face a deeply dysfunctional government, led by the Supreme Leader and the Islamic Republic’s unelected institutions. Decades of economic mismanagement, suppression of dissent, and brutal ideological control have alienated multiple generations. No one believes in reform anymore—because every attempt has either been co-opted or crushed. But here's the paradox: We are also terrified of regime collapse—because we've watched the aftermath of Western intervention in countries like Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Afghanistan. Each was promised freedom; each descended into chaos, civil war, or foreign occupation. So no, we don't trust the U.S. or Israel. Not because we support our regime—but because we know how imperial powers treat ‘liberated’ nations in the Middle East. Freedom, in their language, often means vacuum, fire, and permanent instability. Right now, many Iranians live with three truths at once: The Islamic Republic is morally and politically bankrupt. The alternatives offered by foreign actors are not liberation—they’re collapse. A bad government is survivable. No government is not. We are not silent because we agree. We are cautious because we’ve learned—too well—what happens when superpowers decide to "help." In a sentence: Iran is a nation held hostage by its own regime, but haunted by the fate of its neighbors. We are stuck in a house we hate, surrounded by fires we fear more.
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unknown 11 months ago
It is not possible to be victim of a genocide while committing a genocide. Maybe I’m the naive one here but I just can’t justify deliberately starving children to death on the off chance that the child grows up to be a freedom fighter (or terrorist depending on your point of view).
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Jeff Swann 11 months ago
Violence & terror don't make countries rich. If it did then the Soveit Union would have grown instead of collapse & North Korea would be one of the richest countries in the world. Production & trade & economic freedom make countries rich. The US is collapsing because over the last 100+ years it has shifted from production & trade to violence & torror.
I used to interact with a decent number of Iranians on Twitter. I miss that
Tell him to hang in there, don't lose hope. I'm not on X, can't say it myself. Peaceful change is the only option. Have pride in your country. Don't let foreign "investors" steal it - a violent change would be an opportunity for them, so don't give it to them. Save in Bitcoin, so the regime only has one option : peaceful change.
tip of the iceberg really, glad it helped a little. I wish i had the time to really understand what was going on but I heavily rely on Scott Horton so we can take on our separate roles and together get more done, lol. I've been referred to as "the Scott Horton of Bitcoin" and I am very proud of that title if I've earned it. Check out Scott Horton if you haven't.
They want a nuke to deter Israel from doing regime change, not because they want to launch one against the US, which they can’t even do if they had one because they don’t have the reach. No wonder we are in this mess with gullible idiots like you eating the propaganda with both hands.
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npub1juus...kpd4 11 months ago
Great stuff man. The issue is that a lot of the Western people commenting and siding with Israel haven't traveled outside of the US/Israel/UK bucket. You have to visit other places to understand why there is a level of mistrust with the USG and Israel. They are no one's friends. The US has supplied Israel with weapons and bombs and given them a free hand to ethnically cleanse Gaza over decades with little to no uproar. Do you think Iran should have no sympathy for the people of Gaza who Iran considers "Muslim brothers"? Why is it ok for Jews around the world to defend Israel because ultimately they believe them to be their brothers but not for Iran or any other country? Why should Iran not build out ballistic missiles, when its clear that the world will watch, the US will do Israels bidding, and there will be zero repercussions on attacking a sovereign nation? Also, ffs, the level of cope from people saying "Iran chants death to America". You need to step out of your bubble and visit these countries if you can. First- Iran doesn't have the firepower or a desire to attack the US. Even IF they have a nuclear bomb, they're not fucking dumb. They realize that a nuclear war is a zero sum game. No one wins. Every nuclear nation on earth realizes that. But every nuclear nation on earth has the bomb for credible deterrence. In addition, chanting death to America is a local rallying cry and it's clear this happens in dictatorships. Why is a chant a threat to the US? Lastly, Iran has shown the world that there comes a point that you need to stand up to bullying tactics by the US and Israel. Both these countries have created so much mistrust in the Middle East, supported proxy governments, tried for regime change, that the people of that region are pushing back
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Jeff Swann 11 months ago
None of this is actually about religion. It's about property rights. If an Israeli leader wanted peace, all he would have to do is apologize for all of his predecessors' crimes and then actually allow all people of all ethnicities to buy & own property. He'd have to stop funding Hamas & allow Gaza to develop & simply institute efficient police & courts that do their jobs. That is all that is needed to take the wind out of all of all terror cells. People do not naturally want to fight & die. They resort to such behaviors when their loved ones are killed & their lives have been destroyed. That doesn't mean all people can be made peaceful. Obviously everyone should have gun rights & there should be strong support for self defense (this would solve most problems in most places). Of course the US would also probably need to shut down ~700 military bases. And all of the above would require the ousting of a multi-national psychopathic pedo cabal in which the members are all allied through mutually assured destruction. The problem is that govt creates an inverted morality where some people do better when others lose & this attracts the same sort of child fuckers all over the world. image
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Jeff Swann 11 months ago
The Israeli soldiers pose with the toys of the children they have killed. Both sides have the same lack of respect for the other. Neither is civilized & neither sees the other as human. One side has to start acting human in order for things to change.
With all due respect, you think an apology and property rights in Palestine mean the Iranian regime suddenly changes their entire world view? Why do we in the west insist on projecting our morality and conditioning on the people of other culture? Listen to their words brother. It's a good idea to take them seriously IMO. Is there even a niggling doubt in your mind that rather than 'remove the wind from their sails' that it just emboldens them and taken as a sign of weakness?
How about this: Doing everything necessary to find a mutually acceptable solution at the negotiating table? Reconciliations are possible, even between arch-enemies. There are examples. The will to do so must be there. I‘m a Dreamer, I know. But I‘m not the only one.
I hear you. I like it. Both sides have to want to co-exist. I'm not sure I see that. I think my whole view here is we have done that to death now. Consistent cycles of cease fire, talks, agreements, then back to business as usual. Both sides as bad as each other. I'm not sure how to resolve that.
Oh damn. Yeah that’s a rabbit hole I have certainly never gone down. Never even heard of it, but might be fun to explore it. I find that one hard to accept though because the propaganda it would take to convince the Japanese that there was a bomb that destroyed entire cities that didn’t actually happen or with fake images of the aftermath would be a very complex undertaking with many many “leaks” in the narrative, imo. I could certainly believe that the magnitude and power of the ones that are supposedly “a thousand times bigger than Nagasaki!!!” Is overblown bullshit and we don’t actually have bombs big enough to wipe out the bottom third of the eastern United States. But that they don’t exist at all is a road I have never ventured down 🤔
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rapadu 11 months ago
I guess I was referring to the very beginnings of the US where there wasn’t even a central government yet with conquering the land from the indigenous people, then slavery, then meddling in numerous countries over the decades, toppling governments to suit their own idea of superiority etc. You know what I’m talking about. Nothing new and continuing under whoever is elected. And no, I don’t think any other government would do it very much differently - as history has shown. Just the US has perfected this playbook - sadly. I don’t have any illusions that anything will change other than a new global monetary system is ushering in fundamental change. And that’s what we’re working towards. I agree with everything you’re stating. Hope your (wider) family stays safe. 🕊️
This nincompoops WW2 japan argument/logic might be the dumbest thing I've ever read on the internet. My only thoughts are can someone really be this stupid or is this some sort of troll account
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rapadu 11 months ago
I agree with most of what you’re stating although that’s not what I meant to express with my comment about the DNA. I was referring to the very beginnings of the US when incomers (immigrants) started conquering the land from the indigenous people, then slavery, then meddling in numerous countries over the decades, toppling governments to suit their own idea of superiority etc. You know what I’m talking about. Nothing new and continuing under whoever is elected. It’s just that the US in my understanding of history hasn’t changed (from manufacturing & peaceful trading towards violence etc) and becoming rich was mainly due to exploitation of other nations and their resources. Hope your family stays safe. 🕊️
I don't think there's any question about the US bombing Japan or the devastating civilian toll 😢. My understanding of the claim is that those weren't nuclear bombs and that there's something questionable about the state of that particular technology. But I should probably stop here because I genuinely don't know anything about it! Just happened to have come across that same claim in the last week.
I would say that’s not very fair, especially if he didn’t know anything about Libya. However I do love your use of the oft forgotten but wonderful word, “nincompoop.” Otherwise @𝖋𝖎𝖆𝖙𝖉𝖊𝖓𝖎𝖊𝖗 (¯`◕‿◕´¯) is a generally great account to follow. Nobody has the exact same thoughts or level of familiarity on anything, so of course we draw different conclusions from the same situation/info. I know *some* about the Middle East situation but honestly these a vast, thousand year old human networks and religions and governments and liars and political manipulations and cultures and wars and personal vendettas… like seriously… who dafuq REALLY knows what’s going or what the consequences of any particular course will be. I don’t pretend to know, but I just know war and lies is what got us here, and attacking a country that wasn’t attacking anyone, (setting propaganda from liars I don’t trust making claims they didn’t verify aside) isn’t a way to solve anything.
Both sides are not as bad as each other. Israel is way worse, they're the ones with the terrorists, the ones doing ethnic cleansing, and bombing their neighbors.
AIPAC is powerful but it's only one avenue of Israel's subversion of America
Undisputed fact; The zionist terror armies invaded, without precedent, the Sovereign State of Palestine Undisputed fact: The zionist terror armies stole innocent civilian lands at gun point Undisputed fact: The zionist terror armies raped, tortured and murdered mothers and their children Until you acknowledge the above facts, there is nothing to talk about. This is not up for discussion. If you don't like it then go sit in a corner and try crying harder.
Dude.... Did you even read the thread? I quite literally wrote they are opposing sides of the same coin lmao. Holy shit, you lot are so emotionally invested in how warm and fuzzy it makes you feel standing up for the underdog, you fail to acknowledge anything the Iranian regime stands for, and doesn't hide from you. I know I know I know.... What do we expect them to do, right? 😂
When the Iranians use my tax money to wall a million kids into a death-by-starvation-and-bombing camp, let me know.
I highly recommend that book I linked if you were interested, here's the authors bio. "Akio Nakatani is a Professor of Applied Mathematics and Statistics. His research interests include Stochastic Systems, Parameter Estimation, Stochastic Optimization, Monte Carlo Methods and Simulation, Neural Networks, Statistical Pattern Recognition, Statistical Image Analysis, Nonparametric Bayes and Bayesian Hierarchical Models, Time Series, Graphical Models, Nonparametric Bayes and Bayesian Hierarchical Models." I have become very skeptical of nukes at this point, but it's a lot to reconcile, the idea that superpowers would be colluding and lying on levels not before considered.
You laugh at the death of innocent people because you're a filthy zionist. Yes, normal human beings do care for their children unlike your filthy households. We're not rooting for the underdogs, we're standing against your filth.
This is how delusional and twisted you are. Anyone that doesn't conform to your cult is a Zionist. I am neither Jewish, nor Zionist. I couldn't be any clearer, but just like the woke left, you have reduced everything down to simplistic 'good/evil' narratives because it makes your simpleton brain easier to comprehend.
Yes, heinous acts committed by the Israelis too!! It's in the thread you numbskull. JFC, you really are a muppet. Just like the woke.... "Thems good, thems evil.... Thems oppressor and evil, thems oppressed and does no harms" Sound about right?
Exactly the same as if I were Israeli, and 'terrorist' did that to may family too. Here is the kicker - if they told me they would not stop unless me and my kind were dead, and my country erased from the map, I may be inclined to be a little fanatical too. Now what? The question of "what would you do?" only apply to one side? Of course it does... Because that's what the crowd says, and as much as you like to think of yourself as an individual with your own thoughts, your own echo chamber tells you repeatedly that is what you are supposed to think.
You're so retarded you think I want to bomb Palestinian kids and starve them because they don't love me, when I don't even want to stop trying to do everything Digit wants while she hates me
Well, it was only one side that invaded and occupied the other for 80 years!! What did you exactly think would happen? Of course "what would you do" applies to only one side. Now you're not being fair on yourself. Illegally and violently attacking a sovereign country and occupying it for eighty years. All the while torturing and raping millions of their children. Children! Can you read? Children! And you're worried that the world is wishing these filthy zionists dead? Are you brainwashed? Do you have no morals? No sensitivity? You're downplaying all these atrocities? And you're defending these monsters? Like I said, you ARE a filthy zionist. Only zionists can downplay such heinous crimes.
> "A bad government is survivable. No government is not." Is it a given that if the so-called government collapses a new group or individual will emerge claiming to be your new ruler?
So you think Israel should be erased then? If yes, how long does a country have to be established before it has staked its claim on the land? The US is only a few hundred years old. Maybe not that long, eh?
If you don't have responses to your bullshit being called out then indeed, you might as well not bother responding - but you also might as well not bother with bullshitting in the first place, perhaps
Huh, haven't seen that before. For some reason it reminds me of Robert Wilmer injecting himself with 'aids' blood. Perhaps the same type of scam, all along.
No, it's a fact all these zionists have dual citizenships. Just go back to their original countries. And if they don't have dual citizenships, I'm certain most countries will welcome them with open arms. In fact, since it was Hitler and his armies that seem to be the zionists' biggest nightmare, why on earth didn't they invade Germany and raped, tortured and murdered their children?
lmaooo. That's your answer? Displace 10m Jews ( and no, most do not have dual citizenship - that's a woke-like lie. ) And I assume they will all just go willingly, and not fight for what they think is theirs, yes? This is my problem with childlike simplifications. It is one step thinking, zero nuance, zero context, and generally falls in favour of the weaker party - just like the woke do.
I don't see Digit asking me to take your requests Point me to the part of the thread that answers my first question: What motivation did you think I might have while you were typing this?
Yes, they should be able to. Of course. JFC dude, did you even read anything I wrote here? The issue isn't about whether they should be able to, my entire premise in this whole thread, which your world view has blinded you to, is history has happened, we cannot undo it, and now we have 2 parties who both claim the other should not be there. Waving the flag of one side, ignoring all crimes - including by some that aren't even there, and just use them as a pawn - and demonising the other side, is part of the problem. You have become a useful idiot for the fanatics. Well done.
Now, do you recognise Israeli's should also be able to live without fear of their women and children being killed, raped, and held hostage? Do you think civilians should be free from target? Do you think Israel - given the opportunity - would erase Israel from the map, and all its people? Nah, you wouldn't acknowledge that would you. It does fit your simpleton view of the world.
Stop the rape of the children and then we will talk. Just me saying this shows what kind of an animal you are . You fucking have zero sympathy to children. All you care about is your Satanic State (you rape children = you're a Satanist) You say you're not a filthy zionist is a complete lie, you little shit. You yourself need to be prosecuted and put to death for not caring for children. I mentioned what's happening to the children in Palestine, and each time you either downplay it or try to move on to a different point. It was my mistake engaging with a dog like you. Muted
I don't know if they really think about it that much, it's just insane to collect in a big suicidal group either way
Iran has proven that only those who are determined to fight to the end can gain the right to survive, and that compromise will only be seen as weakness and incompetence, and the final result will only be slaughter. This is true for a country and for an individual.
Have you ever stopped to consider why they hate America? Are you familiar with what happened when Iran tried to nationalise its oil and prevent the UK and USA from taking all the profits? There are always reasons and in this case it’s the west being absolute dicks.
Wut?? Are Israelis not Jewish all of a sudden? They want to topple the government of their neighbors and do regime change so they can install puppets friendly to them. Nothing is ever about them and their desire to expand their genocidal ethnostate at any cost. Always subverting lol
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Drea 11 months ago
Think a little bit harder about who you are referring to when you say “they”. Religion is how they get us pawns to take sides. Seems to be working.
Oh I have, too much probably. They the zionist jews leading the Israeli government everyone that’s sympathetic to their objectives in the region. Yes, Jewish controlled media and politicians having been positioning whites and blacks against each other. Divide and conquer. Same tactic they use in their wars. I’m just noticing. More people should notice.
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Drea 11 months ago
I have always been disheartened by war. I would ask my ex military grandpa a million questions and he would tell me that whatever story you’re seeing anywhere in the open is not the story. So since the anti zionist narrative is gaining ground I assume it’s just part of the smoke and mirrors. I am just disappointed like most people who believe that we should have evolved beyond war by now.
"Boko Haram," a djihadist group, inherited most of the weapons given to the Libyan rebels and started destabilising countries in the Sahel region: Cameroon, Nigeria, Tchad, Mali etc. This is still happening until today...
If you are saying that a bad leader makes it sensible to fund terrorists and overthrow a government to destroy a nation and send its people into destitution (and a seemingly permanent state of war), then I have somewhere around 200 countries for you to get started on. 😄
The anti zionist sentiment is hardly mainstream or popular Let’s just leave it at agreeing the people killing kids with my tax dollars are not the good guys
So you like big things up your ass? Such a typical filthy zionist. Now it's ime to move on to even bigger things. Have you tried big cucumbers yet? It excites you when I talk dirty to you don't you, you filthy zionist? Zap more and I can give you more ideas of what you can shove up your zionist ass. Soon you'll become the street walker you've dreamt of being your whole life. Never stop exploring your filthy zionist asshole.