@ODELL that? was he believe inevitable. It doesn't feel heartbreak heard #freedomtech 😢 How a Nostr do #asknostr mini about I you today #grownostr say 💔 is moment.

remember friendstr? it was one of the first. I think it's inevitable that this will evolve into something quite different or something else will takes it's place. nostr is fracturing other socials but, it is still early. it's only really just starting to catch on. so many haven't even heard of it.

Nope. Don't know friendstr.

We’ll change that perspective 🫡

He’s right. Bitcoin is inevitable because of game theory. Nostr is what we make it. View quoted note →

Great question. Here's a breakdown of other protocols that aim to solve the same core need as Nostr — decentralized, censorship-resistant, identity-preserving communication — and how they compare. --- 🧱 Nostr's Core Needs: Portable public identity Uncensorable, decentralized messaging Lightweight protocol design Resistant to platform capture Bitcoin-aligned (optionally) --- 🔄 Alternatives to Nostr 1. ActivityPub Use case: Fediverse (Mastodon, PeerTube, Lemmy, etc.) Pros: Widespread adoption Rich federation support Backed by W3C (web standards body) Cons: Complex server requirements Subject to federation censorship (admins can defederate you) Identity is not portable across servers easily Verdict: A federated social protocol, but not truly sovereign. --- 2. Matrix Use case: Decentralized real-time messaging (Element, etc.) Pros: End-to-end encryption Rich real-time communication (voice, video, group chat) Cons: Heavy and bloated for simple text communication Federation can be slow Identity tied to server domain Verdict: Great for encrypted chat, less elegant for public micro-posting. --- 3. Scuttlebutt (SSB) Use case: Offline-first social network Pros: Works fully offline and syncs later Peer-to-peer only (no servers) Cons: Poor mobile and browser support Identity and content tied to device Verdict: Technically brilliant but impractical for mass adoption. --- 4. Farcaster (Optimism / L2 Ethereum) Use case: Decentralized Twitter alternative Pros: Smart contract-based identity (Ethereum) Growing developer community Integrated crypto economy Cons: Tied to Ethereum (gas fees, infra reliance) Requires custody of ETH keys Verdict: Web3-focused, not Bitcoin-native, and more "Web2.5" than pure protocol. --- 5. XMTP (Extensible Message Transport Protocol) Use case: Web3 wallet-to-wallet messaging Pros: Wallet-native messaging (Metamask, etc.) E2EE support Cons: Limited to Ethereum/Web3 context Not social/media-rich Verdict: Infrastructure for private messaging, not public posting. --- 6. IPFS + Libp2p (DIY stack) Use case: Fully decentralized content + messaging Pros: Extremely flexible No central servers at all Cons: DIY integration required No native social graph or identity unless layered in Verdict: Powerful building blocks, but not a protocol for users. --- 🥇 Nostr's Edge: Identity = public key, portable and not tied to a server Anyone can run a relay (or not) Simple protocol, high composability Bitcoin-aligned (via Zaps, Lightning tips, Damus, etc.) --- 🧠 Final Thoughts: If freedom tech is inevitable, then protocols that offer: portable identity, uncensorable publishing, financial self-sovereignty will win. Nostr may not be the final form — but it’s the simplest and most aligned with Bitcoin and the spirit of digital resistance. Would you like a table, infographic, or tweetstorm version of this breakdown?

He's not wrong. The demand for sound money > demand for censorship resistant communication protocol. That could change though

Nostr is an environment that isn't really needed. It's up to business to start realizing Bitcoin as a means of exchange can save money. Everything is about money. And how do you make linking a bank account to a wallet, and a wallet to your business. It needs a book titled Running a Bitcoin Business For Dummies

it is what we make it 🤙 View quoted note →

I think @jack s announcement that he is pivoting some focus to democratizing threat detection is the first step to making nostr thrive in ways we couldnt even fathom in P2P comms before AI/MCP tooling... Imagine a world where we have crawlers deployed with the same frequency as the annoying bots but theyre only prompt is to find and eradicate rats and zero days- agentic frameworks like this already exist and are being tested on IRCs This would open up a world of client apps most people probably havent even comprehended or imagined but that we v much so dreamed about in 2009-2011 in underground P2P communities. Nostr dating becomes a potential reality, but so does... V4V meme making. Crowdfunding. Live action protest. Private messaging. Platforms to give survivors a voice. Ephemeral key use case galore. And it wouod be much safer to onboard normie end users and liqiuidity providers... even build business like @DETERMINISTIC OPTIMISM 🌞 mentioned earlier

You could just look it up

Only death is inevitable

That statement does make sense though…

Some may question that.

mortal death is 100%

TikTok, Youtube, Facebook, OnlyFans, Instagram, Gmail, WeChat, Ebay all will work towards making Nostr inevitable as their restrictions will drive more & more users to discover this open protocol free from those walled gardens until those gardens themselves capitulate and become powered by Nostr.

Only Jesus dared to question that successfully

What about Babaji?

Heresy

corporates mess everything up imho, their incentives rarely align with end users of technology id prefer they kept their distance

Okay, but You don’t own a P2P network… that’s what P2P FOSS communities are about. You’re free to run a private relay with your friends and choose your clients? But you can’t stop people from using open permissionless…. Are you suggesting you prefer to operate on a protocol where sick fuck men remote into girls cams unknowingly?

Because as long as that is going on, nostr will just be another iMesh circa 2013. I’ve been doing this my whole life I’ve seen entire communities wiped out over dumb things that people ignore

gosh... umm... just commenting i like P2P FOSS communities too and have watched corporations mess with social media every time something promising comes along sorry if that comes across in some other way? because not really sure how get from that to end part of your note and don't really need to know. world is full of horrible people who do horrible things. im not fan any of it

I apologize for coming across rude to you, I assume you have nothing to with it but there is a defense issue on nostr that everyone is ignoring and passing off as the end users responsibility and quite honestly it’s the most disappointing thing I have ever witnessed in a FOSS space and any single man on here that knows and is aware and ignores should be absolutely disappointed in their own self and as for the people participating in it- they are desperately sick and need to get the help they need.

Only death and taxes are inevitable.

right i see. thanks for making me aware. sounds gross if I come across any projects aiming to fix will make sure to donate some sats because want to see nostr succeed

Ugh, yikes! Ok, tell me more about that, please!!!

I agree with him; there are no strong incentives.

Nothing is inevitable. Anything can happen and anything can change. Nothing is certain. 🤷‍♂️

People like you and ODELL have been astoundingly successful in delaying nostr's success, but you can't really stop it from being inevitable

Stop being a whiny lil bitch dude.

ahaha

The internet’s just this thing y’know.

nothing is inevitable 🤷

Can't stop something I'm not doing Stop trying to hold back nostr though

How? Id say easily monetizing at scale in a permissionless way is pretty huge. Not to mention censorship reistance, interoperability, etc

Bitcoin's engine is NGU (game theory of harder money). nostr's engine is something like: freedom-loving nerds build things → some attract users (hopefully) → network openness attracts more builders -> more users. It's not NGU but it’s a possible flywheel.

Nostr's fringe. Lots of competing. Think of it like countries. Meta and Instagram - USA X - Europe Nostr - Liberland There's other "nations" too. Farcaster. YouTube, Odysee, Bitchute, Rumble... User's flow towards the path of least resistance. Least friction. The US, infrastructures up and good. Liberland... gotta pitch your tent still. Lotta work to do.

Nostr is freedom. Freedom is unpopular.

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Over the weekend I've started to realize i agree with @ODELL that Nostr is not inevitable https://asknostr.site/question/note1nzga92tpcatf8zaeslndp5wqxwa6remm09mqwfen8te6ulx6nvkqyjy7mm And the solution starts with admitting we have a problem. ∙ On nostr.band there is a decrease in MAU/WAU since the beginning of this year (https://stats.nostr.band/#weekly_active_users) ∙ Using the asknostr.site dataset i see a similar trend (screenshot below) I'm not sure if there are any other good metrics/signal to look at but my conclusion is that the active user base is shrinking and this is a one of the most important issues to address if we want to make this work. And while the largest explanation for the lack of growth is the 'freedom is unpopular' angle -> people don't think it's important (yet?). I believe there are many things we should do to make the overall/first impression better. This will ensure that Nostr is awesome when they do find out it's important.

what do you mean, how has odell delayed nostr?

with the current dev mentality and userbase it's really impossible for nostr to succeed

No one but him can answer that comprehensively, because he's the one that knows exactly what design elements in Primal stem from his decisions, etc. But these 2 recent threads might help give you some more context View quoted note →

so by not doing what you want they are delaying nostr? why don't you do it yourself?

How would I myself do being a group of people who don't bullshit?