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Herpes adjacent lmao
Nostr first. Maybe simplex later.
Been curious about why Simplex as well.
🥲
Continued incremental improvement with privacy and censorship resistant communication. Not enough network to abandon signal/telegram yet.
But, probably worth DL.
Critical mass? No.
Better privacy than anything you just listed? Yes.
If you have friends using it, it’s ok.
If you want to private message people without using an account tied to personal info, it’s great.
If you’re messaging your friends and family and they’re already on a e2e messenger like Signal, not worth making them move imo.
I too would like to know the case for simplex vs signal.
+1
ugh.... i have SimpleX installed on the droid and connected to my own server (Start9) - but damn - After getting all my friends and family to switch to Signal over the years - This would be a heavy lift. Now if we could integrate something into Noster (like nostr:npub1gcxzte5zlkncx26j68ez60fzkvtkm9e0vrwdcvsjakxf9mu9qewqlfnj5 has been discussing) that would be a much easier sell.
I would ditch WhatsApp.
Nostr, Signal and Email are sufficient.
Twitter just for spaces.
Only just started hearing about it, but incredibly easy to just pick up and use from app store surprisingly. Not sure how secure it is by default in that manner, but very cool
It has way better privacy guarantees than nostr
And pairs perfectly well with nostr from what I've read. Simplex doesn't handle identity
Simplex is open source and end-2-end encrypted.
I think signal is end-2-end encrypted by government by an external foundation so it could be compromised by a state attack e.g. “leglislation that bans encrypted messaging services as seen in the United Kingdom government last week”.
Very recent informative discussion about it at:
Opt Out Podcast
SimpleX chat and how privacy aligns with the future of computing w/ Evgeny from SimpleX
Heard of SimpleX chat and curious what it’s all about? This episode, we’re sitting down with Evgeny, the founder of SimpleX Chat to talk about ...
Creator describes it as '"about halfway done" according to [his] own standards', so it has a long way to go to totally reach the vision. That said, it's already close to Signal parity, although not quite.
Despite that, it's already useful, and it eliminates the metadata / multiple account / separation of concerns problem that Signal has
“Give me the Simplex case. Make this Herpes-adjacent name sound good to me.”
If there’s any concerns I can start working on the ValtreX-adjacent solution. 😆 🤙 🫡
Before joining simplex, you may want to prepare yourself accordingly with my simple guide: preparationH
No Not too much dispersion let's concentrate effort and attention on the above mentioned will be more productive.
lol. I can relate Lyn. Must focus on my btcpay server. Not enough time to engage in all this new apps.
Session uses encrypted private keys. I like it a lot, but I can't get anyone to use it with me.
Threads is a definite no no
Classic. Just like me trying to get people on nostr 7 months ago. Lol
As a pastor who loves Bitcoin and has been debanked twice this is certainly a journey.
It seems to be a constant move in the right direction
If you like group chats where 50% of the messages are invisible to you, you'll love SimpleX!
🤣 herpes-adjacent 😏
I knew there was something off about the name but couldn't put my finger on it.
Signal Stories or Signal chat?
As I understand it, Simplex is a messenger alternative, not a social network. It doesn’t replace Nostr
Herpes adjacent? Lol I had to think about that for a moment because I could only imagine the simplex algorithm.
Simplex algorithm - Wikipedia
No idea what the social network or whatever is but maybe I can at least help you stop thinking of diseases. 😂
Why?
Samsies
Best answer ever! 🤣 until there is a solution I just dont join groups
I miss the times when pidgin connected to all the major services and protocols.
Change is just the way now.
Simplex is an open protocol and doesn’t require a phone number to sign up.
You forgot keet
I think herpes simplex just got eradicated from your post. I guess things dont stay with you forever 🤔🤣
Please repost when you are told. I she this same thought.
Simplex isn't worth the hype currently
Why?
This is not Xhitter. Don’t confine your replies. Let’s have a discussion.
I agree its a tough task to have people jump over. I think best case for Simple X is it gets incorporated into Nostr. I downloaded it but there is near 0 chance I get my friends onboard maybe I'll use it for new people I meet on Nostr.
Does anyone know what will be the #nostr version of Instagram ?
I thought simplex was just encrypted messaging...? it's like saying you're moving whatsapp... wouldn't make sense.
It's not an apples to apples replacement for twitter/nostr/bluesky/threads
Personally, I bullied my social bubble into using Signal.
However I still have to hive out my number to headhunters, random acquaintances from dating apps, bars and so on.
As of now, the critical mass is not there, but eventually it could solve the issue of having to disclose your phone number to strangers if you want easy to use, reliable and secure communication channel.
I have taken time to Get it to work on my phone, but will not bully my close ones into using it.
Build here on Nostr because your time and effort can’t be taken away from you if you say something that a centralized platform doesn’t like. Lyn you are a highly intelligent person bringing quality to the bitcoin space and world. Stay and speak freely. I and many others appreciate you
There is almost no case for *you* to 'use' simplex, although if you are already using a server for internal business or have a node its not a terrible idea for messaging. Simplex offers more privacy for DMs, the push is to integrate simplex into your "nostr app" so you don't even have to think about it, when you send a DM it will be sent over simplex rather than nostr to preserve your privacy. Nostr is a great tool, but I am skeptical that it can solve all the problems on its own, better would be integrating different protocols better fit to purpose, just like lightning is integrated now.
Why people suddenly want to jump on simplex as a standalone client, I don't really know, I use it for support for graphene OS when I am having trouble but its not where I would hang out, unless I wanted a more discord style chat server.
LOL. Guessing radio tech isn't something you're into. Think the name comes from one to one radio communications. 🤷♂️
Starting off the ux is pretty terrible, half the time notifications just say "message received" (isn't the reason I choose the least private way to receive notifications so I can actually read what they say from my lock screen?)
The app is slow and rife with bugs, especially inside of group chats. It just gets more and more unstable. For a while the message read counter wouldn't even update for me.
No desktop support yet.
Technically it's a beast for privacy but i'm honestly not sold yet on the overall experience of using the app.
simplex is sending and recieving on the same frequency. no repeater.
duplex is send on one frequency, recive on second. a repeater reverses the two frequencies. broader reach with less hardware required on the users part.
That’s a zap. Thanks for saving me sometime looking into it.
You are in nostriches group chat and it works smoothly 🤷♂️
Notifications isn’t the reason to not to use the app😏
You could probably streamline:
TwitterX for your normies and tradfi.
Email for subscribers
Nostr for Bitcoiners
That's enough for now. Wait for the rest to shake out or develop a bit.
Not very smooth on my phone, I have a 12 Pro
I’m have most notifications disabled.
Same here !
Truly the best comment of the day.
Herpes-adjacent 😂😂😂
Let the answer come to you instead of you trying to find the answer.
The captains stack:
Bitcoin
Nostr
SImpleX
The three amigos require no identity verification, technically
Never heard of it
Get a DNA testing for HSV
The biggest pro is no phone number is needed to use it
I love your content no matter it is found. I gravitate to Nostr because of how important decentralized media is. But I share your concerns about the constant competition. Wouldn't it be nice if every app, and every service just used Nostr to login, and all the world's communication was done via Nostr? Maybe it's a pipe dream.
Because it’s owned by zuck.
Good that he has moved to a protocol where it is impossible for him to censor people. But does he really believe in that, or is he just trying to reduce his support overhead?
Threads is just increasing his monopoly control. He is smart in trying to take advantage of the opening that Elon is leaving with Twitter. But we want decentralization, not an internet ruled by someone who shows no concern for effect of his products on the mental health of kids.
Threads will still be funded by advertising and that means there is still an incentive to collect data and sell it to advertisers.
Nostr is the solution. Decentralised, unowned, no ads, uncensored and it includes a micro payment system where you can fund creators for their work.
For me simplex fills an important gap because I don’t want to hand out my phone number to everyone so that they can contact me on signal.
With simplex you can start messaging without sharing anything about your identity.
Also you don’t have to trust Signal not to collect metadata.
Too early for simplex
Simplex works great, I'd love to replace WhatsApp for it. Don't see any real advantage of WhatsApp beyond Battery usage.
Biggest use case for Simplex is kids, need no Sim or phone number and has absolutely 0 spam cause nobody can contact you without you giving them link first.
I guess criminals will also like the anonymity. Feels bad to leak all metadata to meta ...
Not yet. They are like a ghost town atm. Nostr is better!
So did they pick the name because of their technical architecture of one-way relays (simplex instead of duplex)? or the viral nature of the said named socially transmitted virus as an analogy for how people share their links to the app?
SimpleX isnt social media. Use it whenever you want to chat p2p or if there are groups you want to join. That is all.
What about telegram or discord ?
AFAIK it's the holy grail of cypherpunk privacy communication tool.
@Edward Snowden would have probably used
@SimpleX Chat if it existed at the time.
I am not technical enough to understand exactly what’s happening under the hood of any of those but from listening to people I trust I have built the following hierarchy for myself: 1. Simplex - for very infrequent messages to small select group of close contacts. 2. Signal - Daily general chat friends and family. 3. Nostr - only recently moved here, but hope to be my only social media platform soon. 4. WhatsApp - wish I could leave, loosing trust but everyone is there and they not leaving 😌
Yeah different use cases IMO.
Photos you'd share with strangers on a sidewalk: nostr
Secure comms: SimpleX
For now at least.
as far as I know (correct me if I am wrong)
nostrdms + vpn:
who writes who and how much = known to everyone pseudonymously,
what is writen= unknown
simplex:
who writes who and how much= unknown,
what is writen= unknown
whatsapp, twitter, email:
all = known to elon, zuck, bill etc and their superiors
signal:
who writes who and how much = known to signal + gov,
what is writen= unknown
element/matrix+vpn:
who writes who and how much = known to serverhosts (+ gov) pseudonymously,
what is writen= unknown
WhatsApp is e2e encrypted with signal protocol.
SimpleX doesn't have large user adoption at this time, but it's private and decentralized communication. In that regard it's better than WhatsApp or Signal. I'm a Signal user, but trying to get friends and family to switch over and stop using Signal just for that one simple use case.
Communication must be private, data must not be centralized. Signal has a centralized server and requires a phone number . Whatapps secretly records you. Simplex is totally decentralized, no phone and identity required. You can run your own simplex server, you can't do that with signal and whatsapp.
If all users say that. There will never be enough people for any platform.
Email is not private. Simplex fixes this
That’s why we have early adopters
Guys, you need to understand the root of the problem. No matter what software you use, the hardware has to come first. I'm more worried about getting rid of Android and such sim cards.
If you want to have 2 babies, make the first baby first.
I run simplex, however I haven't recommended it to anyone yet. Very low user base. Not sure how reliable/usable as a daily chat app for normies
Check:
Secure Messaging Apps Comparison | Privacy Matters
This site compares secure messaging apps from a security & privacy point of view. These include Facebook Messenger, iMessage, Skype, Signal, Simple...
and rate the security
🟩=3 🟨=1 🟥=0
Results:
1. Threema = 85
2. Session = 79
3. Signal = 77
4. Wickr (Amazon) = 62
5. Element / Matrix = 59
6. WhatsApp = 34
7. Telegram = 29
8. Apple iMessage = 25
9. Facebook Messenger = 25
Threema over 11 Mio. (clever) Users
Does not need a phone number (like Signal a.o.)
Threema does not store metadata and IPs
Threema can be purchased wiht Bitcoins and costs only a one-time amout of $5
Read more at:
Threema
Threema – Highly Secure Communication For Individuals and Companies
The secure instant messenger from Switzerland. GDPR-compliant chat app for individuals and organizations that value security and data protection. T...
iMessage, Email, Nostr, Simplex and an existing everything app that combines (⚡️+Nostr+Simpex) called Flom.
