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It would depend on the interaction. Obviously creators get paid for creating their content and engagement. The client should take the money for sign ups and a small rake of total zaps in sent. Like 3% or something.
damus android and damus notedeck is currently this way
Stacker News works this way but I don’t think it’s built on nostr yet
Put another way— you wouldn’t likely see the bad take.
Go elsewhere for bad takes— or pay your bad take into play.
V4V pay to no gun to your head play.
Yes and also if the bots want to play they have to pay
Frfr no cap?
so no more free speech
@jb55 dis is where you say “on god”
Visual presentation how could this be done on Nostr
yeah no current plans to add reactions
But can I post and comment without zapping? Because I’m talking about literally not being able to leave a comment without a zap
Paid free speech
Incredibly retarded
👀
Incredibly retarded idea
oh, no
I want this for email so badly
Think about it. It would essentially be an interstitial paywall. It’s not a traditional paywall, it’s a friction layer that sits between impulse and action, signal and noise.
@Fanfares
I think you’re looking for FanFares - digital content client built on Nostr
@Short Fiat want to explain it to
@HODL I think you’re launching soon right?
I have an idea to build something similar with my photography publication
@NOICE
Id like to have some help in building it. If you’re a developer, and also a photographer or someone interested in graphic design, reach me.
It is like old phone call when you had to pay a cost at each call.
It could just avoid people to speak too. Would you pay just to post a meme?
And only have advertising media where profitable product can pay to speak.
Like viagra did with email.
I think there’s something there, but to give the next budding Mark Twain a chance it would need to work both ways. So the frequency with which you can post depends on both the amount you zap and the amount that you are zapped.
Yes, there would always be rollers that talk shit, but they would need to fund talent to do so.
Pay to play and/or be payed to play.
Thanks for putting it out there!
I would pay to post yeah. Assuming it was just small zaps
Lmao, maybe you would have thought twice before posting such a useless idea.
Way to describe news papers circa 1890.
How about calling it “only zaps” ?
Pay who?
Yeah, the incentive for Nostr relay operators isn't really clear right now, so it makes sustainable operation tough. It'd be great if a certain percentage of those zaps could go to the relay operators. For that to happen though, everyone would need to get on board with NWC wallets.
Whoever. Probably the content creator.
Yes that’s the point. It’s a reintroduction of the idea that the space you see in front of you should be valuable and have weight. Otherwise it isn’t worth your time.
Or- just another propaganda machine for the wealthy?
when privilege creeps up on you
Wanting to experiment with micropayments is privilege now?
If you have a totally free system it’s even worse and arguably more beneficial to the wealthy
A paywall for speech?
A zap economy for chads actually
NO
Something the wealthy would say.
That’s fair to question, but dismissing an idea solely because it could come from someone wealthy risks missing the point.
The claim isn’t that wealth justifies the system, it’s that in any system, value concentrates.
A totally free space without friction often ends up even more skewed, because attention becomes cheap and manipulable.
Introducing cost reintroduces signal.
Or at least it’s a worthy experiment to see if it does.
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I have this overarching philosophy that anything that is free usually goes to shit. Thus, I am all for a zap-only client
Sounds like some one doesn't like negative feedback but validation only. You'll have enough money to pay for your empty babble, huh? You sound like a bitch rn.
and who would decide the amount of zap needed to be able to post ?
That would literally end free speech
Wow, I like it!
No it literally doesn’t
You're so fucking retarded it's deeply sad
No wonder you have me muted
People would still be able to pay to send others negative shit on this client
The amount of resistance to this idea lets me know it’s probably an idea worth exploring.
View quoted note →Does PAID SPEECH sound like FREE SPEECH to you?
This sounds like some weird sadomasochistic kink thing idea, I like it
Yes. Money enables speech.
Money doesn’t enable speech — it filters it.
What you're building isn’t a civilization filter, it’s a wealth filter. Speech becomes a privilege, not a right. That’s not free speech — it’s pay-to-speak.
If only those with money can talk, you're not amplifying signal, you're silencing the poor. Ideas aren't more valuable because someone can afford to zap them.
Open markets are great for goods. But ideas? Ideas deserve a level playing field — not a toll booth.
I don’t want to talk to ChatGPT homie and also yes this is explicitly a type of filter.
Look I just think broke niggas should be able to speak too
Zaps are micropayments. I really don’t think it’s much to ask 5 sats for a comment or something like that. You’d be able to earn the zaps on platform from producing good shit.
We are building it. Planning to launch in July.
@Fanfares
You interviewed
@arkinox out lead developer nearly a year ago 😉
I love it. This specific idea and so many more.
Everything with zaps, and zaps only. Imagine every app you use being zap based.
@npub15879...kv0n has frequently talked about a Waze-like app where you tip the person who warned you about the cop/tire in the road/etc.
More of the above.
Im a fan btw, and using this as an example is useful.
I paid nothing to be speaking to you, which is cool for me but probably sucks for you, because Im more likely to make you lose your time if im broke in the first place.
So I do understand your point
I hope you don't use kind 1 and this gets retards like HODL out of my nostr feed
But kind 1 made more sense for Olas and they used a different event kind because the goal was to sabotage the nostr ecosystem
You seem like saboteurs too if you're developing such a retarded idea, so I guess you'd do the opposite of what makes sense too?
I don’t hate broke people lol what I’m trying to figure out is how to filter bots and cut the output of mentally ill crazy people who DDOS everyone with their constant negativity.
It’s impossible to argue with internet incels. Unfortunately, they missed the memo that zaps and positivity are good for your mental health and decided to bring their dead weight energy here.
Excited to see it
You need little zappy zaps to not cry yourself to sleep at night my brother?
All this talk about "mental health" is only making dudes more gay.
Let a nigga speak for free HEIL HITLER
I’m sorry nobody wants to have sex with you.
Dumb idea, will never take off. NOSTR already struggels with good content, restricting it more does not help.
This is essential what X has become. Engagement farming slop content for payouts.
I think a better option is just remove the like button altogether and you show love with zaps.
"Zaps are the standard," if you will.
I’m curious what you are thinking
Or we might just save humanity from algorithmic control.
All to play for!
You're not gonna save humanity from algorithmic control but if you avoid kind 1 you can at least save yourself from the embarrassment of being as blatant and obvious as possible about trying to sabotage #nostr
Literally us sir 🫡 launch is in a month
That sounds valuable. And needed
Correction: that was Hodlbod's podcast. My mistake.
Yep it was
@hodlbod! but I would enjoy talking to Hodl some time 🫡
"Think less social media client and more civilizational filter." You nailed it right there. Exactly. I'm not sure you and I agree on the value of that, but, yes.
The good thing about this is that it would be one of like a thousand client options. Any given person would have to opt in by using this client, otherwise they could just use a different one and post a reply, no? Would this require a different note type or Kind?
I agree, but the zap payment layer has to mature for this to happen. It isn’t easily available to everyone right now.
Now that’s the kind of filtration system Fort Nakamoto can get behind.
⚔️ Zap-to-Signal Protocol v1.0
– No bots
– No fluff
– No 47-tweet threads on “my healing journey” unless it earns airtime
– Just pure, value-for-value comms flying faster than fiat credibility
We’ll call it: ZAPWALL
Pay to speak. Earn to matter.
A civilization’s worth of noise, zapped down to signal.
#FortNakamoto #ZapToFilter #CivilizationalUpgrade #ProofOfPost
Sounds elitist. This can already be done. If someone appreciates your post, they can zap, period. If you post something and someone disagrees and wants to comment, then they have to pay?? No one is that special. Nostr about free speech, and this is anti free speech. Again, no one is that special.
It’s not anti free speech
Ahem:
It’s not like anyone would be forced to use it.
I agree, I'm saying it's literally what Back did to prevent spam and it worked and assisted in the creation of the best money. It's a good idea.
The irony of bitcoin being the result of an anti-spam invention and now spammers have found a profitable way to exploit bitcoin.
Pro paid speech*
Why dont you just come out and say that you are choosing to spend your time posting on nostr, and want to earn some sats from doing so, maybe make a little side hustle from it. Then i could understand that, and i get it. But to say that this would help nostr to stop bots or spam sounds disingenuous. Just say you want to earn some sats from it, and be done.
You really don’t understand what I’m talking about or my motivations. Which is ok. But to clarify I don’t earn anything from being on nostr. Nor do I really care to. People zap me and I zap the sats right back out. It’s a circular economy of zap washing. What I’m interested in is figuring out how to add weight to speech and make it costly for bad actors to abuse the system.
Proof of Sats
I think HODL can survive without the income he earns from zaps. 🤣
I think most people wont go this route when they have similar alternative for free speech
Possibly
Im not sure we can have "good quality speech (Signal)" without some degree of "bad quality speech (noise)". Arguably one man's trash is another man's treasure too.
One challenge is it may well become like x / twitters "freedom of speech, not reach" policy if it went the financial route.
Which I'm not sure if this is the best overall outcome for all either, even if there are benefits.
Would a better strategy be to allow functionality for folk to amplify and attenuate signal / noise in some way i.e. via
Communities / Groups?
Those good at picking up Signal might help others find it also. Perhaps with a small entry fee or credibility qualification into a Community.
Sorry - I feel like I'm offering more problems than solutions. Something like this probably requires a fair degree of prudence. Though I like what you are driving at in many ways.
Some degree of bad actors has to be allowed I think for it to flourish. The OG Bitcoiners / Cypherpunks were arguably 'bad actors' once upon a time.
Free speech was never free
I love this idea because instead of blood, it’s PoW
Is elite bad?
Is stacker.news close to this?
I think so, just not the Nostr native part
A lynx for nostr
What are you actually filtering with yr civilizational filter. I think, you are implying, that too many posts are uncivilized, because are made by the rif-raf, the poor, the deplorable.
That’s not what I’m saying, I’m talking more about stalking type behaviors and bots
O! My bad.
Then, maybe being able to paywall the replies on some of yr posts. Like, if you want to comment on this particular article, you have to pay. I suspect, this will reduce the interaction as a whole.
Isn't this akin to the proof of work stamping of emails to prevent spam.
Was it hash cash ? The system invented by Adam Back.
I guess with this idea the concept of "talk is cheap" falls deas
*dead
I think it's a great idea. Would cut down on spam a LOT.
I could code this in a weekend, if its not already done, and you DM me exact specs for it from this thread summarized. XD
Its sounds like a zap version of minnect. i presume you want this mobile
